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Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

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Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

#81
Institutional isomorphisms (to use a more technical term) are far older than current platform capitalism and are often a reaction to uncertainty. I'd see the current phenomena as a natural extension of the original concept.

Classic literature: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2095101

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

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I've been thinking about how enshittification, venture capital, shareholders and the life cycle of a company are in some ways related. Any company that has external investors is bound to go through this cycle of - building a great product - taking in external funding money - growing and then either being acquired or going public (or more commonly shutting down) - then all the head scratching decision making starts It…

IMO: Consumers will adapt to the reality, as humans always do. Once people adjust to the fact that popular brands are generally strip-mined for profit, brand loyalty will drop and keep dropping, consumers will become warier of lock-in, and the enshittification playbook will be less and less effective.

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

#83
The question is: can / will something be done about anytime soon. The age of innocence is long gone. The textbook on surveillance capitalism has been written. The importance of sane digital interactions and its role in helping solve other more stuborn problems is also obvious.

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

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The perceived significance of the reward is irrelevant and doesn't affect whether its degradation is "enshittification" or not. It's not excluded from that categorization because it's considered a "trivial" feature. In fact, I'd argue it's specifically a good example of enshittification because it's one of the very few things that's actually just "a nice thing" the developers added, that was previously a nice friendl…

> The perceived significance of the reward is irrelevant Completely false. A vanity badge that's based on some effort, has a value equal to the effort required. Unlike increasing requirements for core functionality where you have increased effort for the same reward, increasing requirements for an effort-based vanity item increases its value in exact proportion to the effort.

I think it's completely reasonable to describe the user-perceived degradation of a feature, regardless of its importance, for the purpose of benefit to the business and its profits, as "enshittification". Your opinion differs, but my opinion is not "false". I mean, believe what you want, but you're trying to invalidate my opinion by simply sharing your own, which I'm not sure has much purpose at all in a conversation.

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Nah it happens to all public companies (see hasbro with magic/d&d) even when users are not the product. It happens when nobody wants to be the first to show flagging growth and investor expectations have not reset yet after a period of growth. It’s just easier in tech to manufacture growth metrics you cant get checked on

Sure, but in those industries the users leave, the company suffers and the executives get fired. VC are attracted to moaty business models where users cant leave.

> the executives get fired

By fired, do you mean receive multimillion dollar payouts and jobs from their friends at another place where they can do it all again?

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

#86

I felt like I wasn't going to write this comment again, but here we go: I don't like the word enshittification. People glom onto it because they like shaking sticks more than solving problems, and Corey Doctorow is excellent at exploiting that desire. It's annoying how he enables that sense of defeatism when he's obviously aware of resilient and game-changing alternative software (like FOSS) that has revolutionized t…

I agree with "enshittification" being a poor choice. I would go with plain simple "milking the product", not for the benefit of the user, of course.

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This only happens when the users are the product or its a marketplace. Most business models dont suffer from shittification. But VCs love investing in the ones that do.

Nah it happens to all public companies (see hasbro with magic/d&d) even when users are not the product. It happens when nobody wants to be the first to show flagging growth and investor expectations have not reset yet after a period of growth. It’s just easier in tech to manufacture growth metrics you cant get checked on

d&d has weak network effects. wotc overestimated the effect though

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

#88

A perfect example with the recent changes at Twitter: > Most Twitter users barely tweet and don't care about followers - a "heavy user" tweets on average less than three times a week. So if someone is posting regularly enough to be willing to pay $8 a month for a blue tick, but has not built up a sizeable following organically, this is a very strong signal that the posts they are producing are no good. > It is exactl…

Garbage "analysis".

Heavy users I follow tweet more than 3 times a day.

> The problem wasn't a biased liberal algorithm, it was that their tweets are no good.

No, it was a biased algo that's still being removed (as recently as 2-3 weeks ago they discovered another throttle which was impacting many users, including Elon).

The main problem is that all centralized platforms have to deal with government-mandated censorship in large markets such as the EU, which kills content and engagement and also negatively impacts paying users (because despite the payment, their content still gets shadow-banned). That's not Twitter's fault, but they're relatively more impacted than social networks that focus on art and have no political content.

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

#89

When is this from? A few days ago (when it was already posted with a different url) or earlier in the year Februaryish when Doctorow wrote his stuff on enshittification of TikTok etc? Is this actually new?

Doctorow writes a lot, gives a lot of interviews and goes to a lot of conferences. He doesn't tell an entirely new and original story each time.

Re: Cory Doctorow: Platform Capitalism and the Curse of “Enshittification” [audio]

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I compare this mentally to: * autotesting music for 'hit worthy' == music blandifies to the bangers and you never get interesting voices any more. but .. it works (for profit) * kindle genres like 'in the style of' and the tendency to more and more but worse and worse in fiction because.. it works (for profit) * politics descending to the lowest grab, not the highest goal.

so what kind of algorithm would lead to the best outcome?
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