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Learning for me is an anxious nail biting activity. I do not know why because I never felt the rush to learn something. I get anxious even when I start learning something I want to learn. The smaller the anxiety, the less I learn. It works, it becomes a cycle of anxiety and blissful revelation, an obsession.
As a child, I was able to simply read through things (history books, forum discussions about motors and cars, wiki.c2.com...) barely understanding them - but half way words would begin making sense. I could then reread the same things with understanding and keep reading through until bored - which seemingly implied understanding. Nowadays, I need comprehensible input the whole time, hooks to actually understand what'…
According to Krashen, effort is not needed for comprehensible input to be effective. Rather, it is more likely that you are simply not consuming enough comprehensible input
It may well be the case that 'comprehensible input' is enough for languages because we already _understand_ at least one language to a functional degree, and there's no real 'learning' a foreign language, moreso _remembering_ words and structures. Much like most people don't 'understand' the mechanics of their native language, they merely use them.
I don't think that we can readily assume that comprehensible input is thus generalisable across other things we would wish to learn.
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Yeah, that was painful. How does memory work? Me, teacher who took graduate school classes on educational psychology: he’s going to talk about short-term memory, etc. now. Him: NEURONS! Also, the article never mentioned the one absolutely knock down, finding that has been confirmed over and over again as effective for learning (or at least remembering): spaced repetition.
Spaced repetition takes effort, and causes pain. It is tedious. So it still fits in with the idea proposed. I believe you need to be conscious of what you are trying to learn and if it is tedious, then you are conscious of it because tedious means you experience some strain. You will remember it better because it was painful. Just speculating but it makes sense to my layman brain.
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Yeah, that was painful. How does memory work? Me, teacher who took graduate school classes on educational psychology: he’s going to talk about short-term memory, etc. now. Him: NEURONS! Also, the article never mentioned the one absolutely knock down, finding that has been confirmed over and over again as effective for learning (or at least remembering): spaced repetition.
Spaced repetition takes effort, and causes pain. It is tedious. So it still fits in with the idea proposed. I believe you need to be conscious of what you are trying to learn and if it is tedious, then you are conscious of it because tedious means you experience some strain. You will remember it better because it was painful. Just speculating but it makes sense to my layman brain.
If anything, I'd argue the pain and effort can be negative it will still work.
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Yeah, that was painful. How does memory work? Me, teacher who took graduate school classes on educational psychology: he’s going to talk about short-term memory, etc. now. Him: NEURONS! Also, the article never mentioned the one absolutely knock down, finding that has been confirmed over and over again as effective for learning (or at least remembering): spaced repetition.
Spaced repetition takes effort, and causes pain. It is tedious. So it still fits in with the idea proposed. I believe you need to be conscious of what you are trying to learn and if it is tedious, then you are conscious of it because tedious means you experience some strain. You will remember it better because it was painful. Just speculating but it makes sense to my layman brain.
This is not true. Anki is tedious and causes pain. Flashcards are such in general.
But dpaced repetition does not requires either.
I'm convinced that there are two kinds of learning - conscious and subconscious. Most people think of learning as a purely conscious effort but I would point out that becoming fluent in a new language is almost entirely a subconscious effort. Conscious effortful study can help you pick up new vocabulary and grammar, but our brains have to process language at speeds too fast for the conscious mind to keep up. It has t…
Children may appear to be picking up languages effortlessly, but consider how much time they spend to do so: take 2 years of a language, and you will be in advance of a 2 year-old native speaker.
> our brains have to process language at speeds too fast for the conscious mind to keep up
good point for oral communication, but literacy doesn't have to be done in real time
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Spaced repetition takes effort, and causes pain. It is tedious. So it still fits in with the idea proposed. I believe you need to be conscious of what you are trying to learn and if it is tedious, then you are conscious of it because tedious means you experience some strain. You will remember it better because it was painful. Just speculating but it makes sense to my layman brain.
> Spaced repetition takes effort, and causes pain. It is tedious. So it still fits in with the idea proposed This is not true. Anki is tedious and causes pain. Flashcards are such in general. But dpaced repetition does not requires either.
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Spaced repetition takes effort, and causes pain. It is tedious. So it still fits in with the idea proposed. I believe you need to be conscious of what you are trying to learn and if it is tedious, then you are conscious of it because tedious means you experience some strain. You will remember it better because it was painful. Just speculating but it makes sense to my layman brain.
Spaced repetition happens everyday outside of a "sit at a desk and learn" setup and is plenty efficient without effort and pain. The obvious one is seeing again and again a concept so much you end up remembering it, like the Dunning Kreuger effect (or to take it darker, being able to recipe an ad you've seen hundreds of time) If anything, I'd argue the pain and effort can be negative it will still work.
Using copilot makes it much harder to pick up new programming languages cause you'll end up working on much higher abstractions, since copilot is generating a good chunk of the code.
Not to mention that your own code is much more sprinkled in, making it harder to build up a coherent, end-to-end understanding of the underlying syntax and semantics.