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To unlock drink verification can (2013)

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Re: To unlock drink verification can (2013)

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Post by pdntspa »

petesergeant wrote: post #78
pdntspa wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha ha ha, "market price". As if market forces don't simultaneously collude on prices while blowing smoke up the ass of its customers. Everyone knows that inflated "market price" is the result of a lifetime of commercial brainwashing done on buyers. There will never be a fair "market price" as long as everyone keeps raising their prices because reasons.

I don’t think there’s a convincing argument that car manufacturers are current running a price cartel, sorry

Why not? Your floor is the base cost of the BOM. Since they absolutely and pathetically have to prioritize shareholder value there is strong impetus to drive prices up or extract additional value some other way. Remember if you're not showing cancerous levels of growth you are dying, if not worthless!

The only time prices ever come down is when one tries to undercut the other, or they feel they can make more money by lowering them. This rarely happens in any permanent or consistent fashion, barring exceptional circumstances or a collapse in demand.

Add in inflationary pressure, and exec's pathetic desire to be cool and copy what their competitors are doing (who cares why? AcmeCo has it, we need to have it to!!!) and you don't even need a price cartel because everyone is making the same sad little moves independently.

The conspiracy aspect is absolutely a red herring. Nobody is that smart, thankfully. This is all supposedly rational actors acting in supposedly rational self-interest. AKA "Market forces"

Re: To unlock drink verification can (2013)

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Post by esperent »

Ironically when I try to open this page I'm IP blocked for using an ad blocker (actually I thought that was the joke at first):

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You have been using Opera or Brave as a browser, or have installed the Ghostery add-on, and are unaware that these programs are hijacking your Internet connection for their own purposes

Note I'm just using plain old Chrome + Ublock Origin

Re: To unlock drink verification can (2013)

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Post by donmcronald »

petesergeant wrote: post #38
walrus01 wrote: post #22

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I literally just saw a BMW advertisement yesterday that says it comes with 8 years of adaptive cruise control/driver assist, which then disables itself after the timer runs out (presumably unless you pay to license it again).

I think I am in a minority group of 1 for thinking that features that are payable extras are a good thing, actually. I guess people who don't like it see it as losing features, and talk about _owning_ their vehicle, where I see it as the ability to fine-tune the cost of a vehicle depending on what features you do or do not want to license. With any luck, competition should end up giving a market price to each of thes…

All those features significantly increase repair costs because of the parts and calibration required. Should I have to incur those costs so the manufacturer can extract value from a second owner?

I promise the car will be harder to resell once the warranty runs out. No one wants an old car that’s super expensive to repair, especially if they’re paying to repair things related to features they can’t even use.

Re: To unlock drink verification can (2013)

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Post by donmcronald »

somerandomqaguy wrote: post #75
cactusfrog wrote: post #36

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The good news is that no BMW is going to run for 8 years

Toyota was trying to jump onto the bandwagon too. https://www.thedrive.com/news/43329/toyota-made-its-key-fob-... https://www.thedrive.com/tech/43636/toyota-reviewing-key-fob... That said GM is dropping Android Auto and Apple Carplay from it's 2024 EVs, I assume to sell their own services. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/03/gm-confirms-its-droppin... Klim also sells a motorcycle airbag vest that you can optionally…

> That said GM is dropping Android Auto and Apple Carplay from it's 2024 EVs, I assume to sell their own services.

They think they’re going to tap into a lucrative market, but really they’re just selling trash at that point.

Re: To unlock drink verification can (2013)

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Post by peddling-brink »

petesergeant wrote: post #79
peddling-brink wrote: post #65

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I disagree. This is only about value extraction. Let's walk down this slippery slope for a bit. It's 8am, your alarm clock doesn't wake you up. You've run out of alarm credits again. They're cheap, but you have to refill them every month because the refill site wants to show you ads first. You wake up late at 9:15, you're glad for the extra rest, but you won't make as much money today because you will get in late. On…

In this example the alarm clock was free, the taxi was cheaper if you didn’t care how fast you got there, and yes, most people pay a subscription for mobile data already

Things that are not free.

- My time. - My cognitive load.

The above sounds like a nightmare to me, but you do you.

Re: To unlock drink verification can (2013)

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Post by KnobbleMcKnees »

asah wrote: post #41

Can I ask something as an Old Guy(tm)? I thought games were supposed to be fun and entertaining. If the developer makes it un-fun, then why keep playing? why not finding something else fun to do? e.g. play another game? learn a new skill? do something IRL? etc. Serious q, please don't bash.

Going to festivals is fun but requires long journeys carrying lots of heavy things and those generally are not very fun, especially on the way home.

The point of the meme is to mock the gates and hurdles you encounter in trying to get to the fun, not the fun itself.

For example, Microsoft potentially requiring people to have an always-on camera pointed isn't something that anyone wants, but they might tolerate it to play FortNite/whatever.

Re: To unlock drink verification can (2013)

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Post by martin8412 »

vorpalhex wrote: post #40
petesergeant wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I am in a minority group of 1 for thinking that features that are payable extras are a good thing, actually. I guess people who don't like it see it as losing features, and talk about _owning_ their vehicle, where I see it as the ability to fine-tune the cost of a vehicle depending on what features you do or do not want to license. With any luck, competition should end up giving a market price to each of thes…

Just to be clear, these features such as heated seats are already in your vehicle. You are just being charged monthly.. for hardware you already bought. "Car feature piracy" will be an interesting new world I suppose...

Car feature piracy is already a thing. You can unlock all sorts of things over the OBD2 port.

Even then, car manufacturers are notoriously bad at software, so probably won't be too difficult to pirate any feature.

Re: To unlock drink verification can (2013)

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Post by adhesive_wombat »

peddling-brink wrote: post #65
petesergeant wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I am in a minority group of 1 for thinking that features that are payable extras are a good thing, actually. I guess people who don't like it see it as losing features, and talk about _owning_ their vehicle, where I see it as the ability to fine-tune the cost of a vehicle depending on what features you do or do not want to license. With any luck, competition should end up giving a market price to each of thes…

I disagree. This is only about value extraction. Let's walk down this slippery slope for a bit. It's 8am, your alarm clock doesn't wake you up. You've run out of alarm credits again. They're cheap, but you have to refill them every month because the refill site wants to show you ads first. You wake up late at 9:15, you're glad for the extra rest, but you won't make as much money today because you will get in late. On…

Ha! Strong Libertarian Police Department [1] vibes.

Ironically, the New Yorker website has an illegal-in-the-EU cookies modal, then a delay and a manufactured-urgency "flash sale!" pop-up that turns into a "you're on your last article" banner.

[1]: https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertari...

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