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Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by kemayo »

bunga-bunga wrote: post #64
kemayo wrote: post #9

> After reviewing, we have identified intellectual property in [Game Name Here] which appears to belongs to one or more third parties. In particular, [Game Name Here] contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. As the legal ownership of such AI-generated art is unclear, we cannot ship your game while it contains these AI-generated…

Sounds like a cop-out. They can't possibly verify that any content they're hosting isn't already copyrighted, let alone in a "murky copyright state"

They have a manual review step when you submit a game. Although you're right that they can't catch everything, they can certainly catch obvious things.

I'm sure they mostly just don't want to wind up in court with a lawyer being able to say that they let [blatant example here] get published on their store. So long as they can credibly claim that there was no way for them to tell something was in an objectionable category, I'd imagine they're fine with it.

Their rules, if you're curious: https://partner.steamgames.com/steamdirect

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by minimaxir »

ethbr0 wrote: post #74
bob1029 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This just creates a moral hazard to not disclose the use of any AI-generated assets The whole space is somewhat amusing to me. what is the bigger moral hazard: Openly disclosing everything about your content pipeline and getting your team's efforts shitcanned, or keeping everything private unless a court order shows up?

So, the OpenAI model?

It has been widely speculated that the primary reason OpenAI never disclosed the full training dataset for GPT-3 or GPT-4 was to avoid potential legal backlash.

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by XCSme »

kemayo wrote: post #60
XCSme wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that was the entire point of banning AI generated content, right? Or, are you implying that the article states different reasons for the ban?

I'm quoting the relevant bit from Valve's email in the reddit post, to indicate exactly what they're actually forbidding. Notably: not all AI-generated content, but rather AI-generated content from models that were trained on material that's not owned by the person submitting the game.

Can that even be proven/tested?

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by [deleted] »

bunga-bunga wrote: post #64
kemayo wrote: post #9

> After reviewing, we have identified intellectual property in [Game Name Here] which appears to belongs to one or more third parties. In particular, [Game Name Here] contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. As the legal ownership of such AI-generated art is unclear, we cannot ship your game while it contains these AI-generated…

Sounds like a cop-out. They can't possibly verify that any content they're hosting isn't already copyrighted, let alone in a "murky copyright state"

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Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by bogwog »

seydor wrote: post #66

good news for their competitors

Not really, or at least, not yet. If Epic allows AI generated content, it will just attract devs that use AI generated content. I think those are more likely to be shovelware garbage today than anything else.

Until there's a killer/must-have game built with AI content, I don't think this is going to have much of a noticeable impact.

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by vlunkr »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #44

That seems pretty sensible. There have been lawsuits from artists before. Do you want to risk a game selling 10m copies and then it turns out that all the art was just copied and pasted by the "AI" and Valve is now on the hook. Also from a store perspective, any game where shortcuts like this are used tend to be shit games. They don't want spam games to be pumped. There's already enough indie trash platformers that n…

> Also from a store perspective, any game where shortcuts like this are used tend to be shit games.

Yeah, they indicate that they have already submitted multiple games with AI generated assets, and submitted this one "with a few assets that were fairly obviously AI generated." Maybe I'm being unfair and they are making really good games, but these are not good indicators to me.

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by wahnfrieden »

bunga-bunga wrote: post #64
kemayo wrote: post #9

> After reviewing, we have identified intellectual property in [Game Name Here] which appears to belongs to one or more third parties. In particular, [Game Name Here] contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. As the legal ownership of such AI-generated art is unclear, we cannot ship your game while it contains these AI-generated…

Sounds like a cop-out. They can't possibly verify that any content they're hosting isn't already copyrighted, let alone in a "murky copyright state"

Well, they verify. Think again or say something that isn't just "I know something I made up about them that I didn't look up".

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by GreedClarifies »

I guess we need clarity on whether using copyrighted material is covered under fair use.

GenAI clearly meets the "transformative" standard.

OTOH it seems likely that it will have difficulty with the "Amount and substantiality" as it considers the whole art work, OTOH this is not necessarily a hard barrier given the "transformative" nature.

My guess is that the "Effect upon work's value" standard vs. the "transformative" standard will be the area where there is most action. Clearly, in aggregate, GenAI will have great impact upon works value. However, this is not the usual standard (it is about individual works), and I would argue that this would be creating new law by the courts.

Hopefully we will get a case to the supreme court to resolve this, quickly. I think that this is a boon for humanity and I would like to see the cuffs taken off as quickly as possible.

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