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Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by Jolter »

likeabbas wrote: post #76
Jolter wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the problem with the Havana Syndrome -- it's all "from what I've heard", AKA hearsay. There is simply no scientifically credible evidence of any malfeasance. The fact that the government agencies have not come out outright and said as much, can be easily explained by the fact that they have nothing to gain by debunking it. You can rest assured that there are no longer any CIA agents assigned to investigating t…

Professor Gary Nolan of Stanford doesn’t seem to think Havana syndrome is a “non event” considering he was contacted by the CIA to do brain scans of the victims. I agree it’s frustrating because the entire situation is classified, but this is how the intelligence community works. We can’t show our hands by making reports to the public. I hope one day we can. There is a discussion in congress about trying to change th…

I know nothing at all about Gary Nolan of Stanford except what you wrote above, so don’t take the following as disparaging him.

That said: it is not difficult to imagine a certain bias towards making an interesting finding, when given such an assignment by the government.

The lack of a control group and blinding makes every result of such a scanning study very vulnerable to such biases.

Hence, I would advise placing very little weight behind its findings.

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by likeabbas »

Jolter wrote: post #81
likeabbas wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Professor Gary Nolan of Stanford doesn’t seem to think Havana syndrome is a “non event” considering he was contacted by the CIA to do brain scans of the victims. I agree it’s frustrating because the entire situation is classified, but this is how the intelligence community works. We can’t show our hands by making reports to the public. I hope one day we can. There is a discussion in congress about trying to change th…

I know nothing at all about Gary Nolan of Stanford except what you wrote above, so don’t take the following as disparaging him. That said: it is not difficult to imagine a certain bias towards making an interesting finding, when given such an assignment by the government. The lack of a control group and blinding makes every result of such a scanning study very vulnerable to such biases. Hence, I would advise placing…

You can find discrepancies in anything if you want to enough.

I can’t convince you of anything because all of the data is classified or under HIPPA. All we can do is trust the highly credentialed people about their general findings. Gary Nolan is a world renowned pathologist that has started several NASDAQ companies. The CIA sought him out to investigate Havana syndrome because he created a new MRI machine (I think? Some kind of brain scanning device) that is world class.

I don’t follow Havana syndrome closely enough specifically because we are less likely to see that data than we are the upcoming revelations from congress of some non-human technology.

https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/garry-nolan

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by Jolter »

likeabbas wrote: post #80
Jolter wrote: post #67

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> everyone has to undergo a rigorous psychological evaluation every 5 years to keep their Top Secret SCI clearance. You can not be unwell and be an intelligence officer at the level of Grusch. You can, for up to five years. Assuming that the evaluation actually catches whatever illness you might have.

Are you going to assume the IC Inspector General is unwell too since they referred Grusch’s claims to congress as being both urgent and credible ?

I’m not saying anyone is unwell. I was commenting on the two sentences I quoted. They are not consistent with each other: the second does not follow from the first.

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by Jolter »

likeabbas wrote: post #82
Jolter wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know nothing at all about Gary Nolan of Stanford except what you wrote above, so don’t take the following as disparaging him. That said: it is not difficult to imagine a certain bias towards making an interesting finding, when given such an assignment by the government. The lack of a control group and blinding makes every result of such a scanning study very vulnerable to such biases. Hence, I would advise placing…

You can find discrepancies in anything if you want to enough. I can’t convince you of anything because all of the data is classified or under HIPPA. All we can do is trust the highly credentialed people about their general findings. Gary Nolan is a world renowned pathologist that has started several NASDAQ companies. The CIA sought him out to investigate Havana syndrome because he created a new MRI machine (I think?…

The above post does not address my concern regarding a control group and blindness.

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by lusus_naturae »

likeabbas wrote: post #78
lusus_naturae wrote: post #57

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I want to know how it was ascertained that this technology is "non-human".

Some of that is divulged in the original article https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-re...

> Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” he said.

Doesn't this seem like science-fiction driven psyops? I am not a physicist or material scientist, so I would love to be corrected. Per my understanding, molecules from one end of the universe are the same as molecules from another end of the universe. I guess maybe they're doing some kind of element-wise dating or mass spectrometry, but again I am unsure how such an analysis would indicate non-Earth origins. What exactly is meant by "vehicle morphologies"? There are plenty of sci-fi designers who can dream up awesome, ridiculous vehicles that would seem like they're meant to be used by non-humans. I guess I am inclined to assume that these artifacts were placed by adversaries precisely for distracting with psyops.

Edit: iirc, these accounts seem inconsistent with Snowden's remark: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/23/us/edward-snowden-joe-rogan-c...

Or I guess "hidden really well". I guess my question is why hide it? Is it really that big a deal?

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Post by likeabbas »

Jolter wrote: post #84
likeabbas wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can find discrepancies in anything if you want to enough. I can’t convince you of anything because all of the data is classified or under HIPPA. All we can do is trust the highly credentialed people about their general findings. Gary Nolan is a world renowned pathologist that has started several NASDAQ companies. The CIA sought him out to investigate Havana syndrome because he created a new MRI machine (I think?…

The above post does not address my concern regarding a control group and blindness.

Would you mind emailing Gary (gnolan@drowlab.com) with your concerns? I’ve gotten a response from him on some concerns I had with an interview he did. He’s a very nice fellow and he tries to respond to every inquiry from w what I understand. If you send a respectful letter asking detailing your thoughts on the public discussion of Havana syndrome and ask him some general questions about the work he did with patients experiencing it, I am certain he will respond (albeit probably not in a timely manner).

I’d love for us to follow up if and when he does.

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by likeabbas »

Jolter wrote: post #83
likeabbas wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you going to assume the IC Inspector General is unwell too since they referred Grusch’s claims to congress as being both urgent and credible ?

I’m not saying anyone is unwell. I was commenting on the two sentences I quoted. They are not consistent with each other: the second does not follow from the first.

You’re not directly saying Grusch is unwell, but you’re certainly insinuating it. And you’re dodging the other facts, like the ICIG deeming the claims as credible and [urgent (50 U.S.C. § 3033(k)(5)(G))](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3033)

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by likeabbas »

lusus_naturae wrote: post #85
likeabbas wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of that is divulged in the original article https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-re...

> Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” he said. Doesn't this seem like science-fiction driven psyops? I am not a physicist or material scientist, so I would love to be corre…

> Doesn't this seem like science-fiction driven psyops?

This whole thing is *way* weirder than anything else I’ve ever experienced in my life.

This certainly could be one giant psy-op, but then we have to wonder why it would go so deep as to have people testify under oath to congress about it and convince the senators to unanimously pass legislation to force disclosure of “non-earth origin” technology to them. What’s the reason to go this deep just to confuse an adversary?

Then again, what if there is something way weirder going on here?

Regardless of what the outcome is, I think everyone should be in support of congress trying to get to the bottom of it.

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by themodelplumber »

soupfordummies wrote: post #74
themodelplumber wrote: post #33

I did a bit of first-hand UFO account investigation for a while. Lots of people wanted to share their experiences as a narrative that they could control. Unfortunately when I started with a set of questions I had been working on to help me gather info, many of those same people would refuse to discuss further or wouldn't complete the questions. Eventually I had to conclude that, among other things, a lot of folks are…

>>But maybe they don't realize it unless someone brings up that specific question Valid take you've got, I think. What were some of these questions?

There were a bunch, including objective descriptions, day of the week, time of day, and also subjective things like how had life changed recently. Plus things like how long had you been living in the area / driving the vehicle you saw it from if applicable.

Re: Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs

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Post by 542458 »

likeabbas wrote: post #77
542458 wrote: post #62

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The United States government also took accusations of satanic sex cults in the US very seriously, funding protection programs, conferences, and research. Turns out that was all the product of flawed investigation, but representatives knew their constituents were concerned and wanted to be seen doing something (or at least wanted to avoid accusations of doing nothing). I believe a similar explanation could apply here.

Do you have a source on that? Did very highly credentialed and trusted intelligence officers come out and testify under oath that there were satanic sex cults? There is a big difference here. Grusch has given specific locations and names of people that congress can subpoena. Marco Rubio has confirmed that other highly credentialed whistleblowers with first hand knowledge are confirming Grusch’s claims. I believe we w…

In the case of the satanic panic, people (including well-credentialed physiologists, sociologists, and criminal investigators) also testified under oath that the abuses had occurred. People also testified and made specific accusations before congress.

And Rubio has said (intentionally or not) very demonstrably false things in the past. I wouldn’t trust him to always be accurate.

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