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The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by progfix »

f6v wrote: post #28

I don’t know. I already have to click cookie buttons on every goddamn web site I visit, it’s annoying as hell. These EU initiatives can be a bit pointless. Battery needs to be replaced like once every 2-3 years. Why change the device design to make battery user-replaceable when I can bring it to the repair shop?

> Why change the device design to make battery user-replaceable when I can bring it to the repair shop?

You'd rather go to a repair shop and pay a service fee for something that you can probably do in a couple of minutes at home?

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by layer8 »

tomjen3 wrote: post #61
layer8 wrote: post #46

Interestingly, the regulation apparently also applies to small devices like smart watches and wireless earbuds.

That's not great - those devices really do not have space for a replaceable battery. And no, I don't want them bigger than they already are.

There’s certainly some compromises to be made for sustainability, but I don’t think they have to be a deal breaker.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by jacquesm »

systemtest wrote: post #78
jacquesm wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You see correlation and infer causation but maybe the better way to see this is to realize that the EU is large, has a ton of work on their plate already and relatively limited budget to work with whereas manufacturers will always just see how far they can stretch it. The number of EU companies affected by EU regulations is far larger than the number of companies from abroad. Your example fails because the same amoun…

The EU has time to responds to Apple rumours so it appears they have time to crack down on BMW, Mercedes and many other EU brands that limit user repairability.

So, you want them to target BMW, Mercedes and other EU brands rather than to address all of the car manufacturers in the same way?

That's exactly the kind of thing they don't do, and for good reasons.

As you can see from the link posted above they do a lot to ensure right to repair, but it isn't perfect. Give it some time.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by nonethewiser »

jacquesm wrote: post #15
systemtest wrote: post #12

It is interesting that the EU only wants to regulate markets that they are not participating in. They don't make smartphone anymore so any regulations isn't hurting them. It would be admirable if they held the same standard for vehicles, including brands from the EU.

> It is interesting that the EU only wants to regulate markets that they are not participating in. The EU only regulates markets they are participating in. The only country that regulates markets that they do not participate in is the United States, and for the most part they seem to be doing so for fairly good reasons (such as with the anti money laundering and anti terrorism financing laws). Though of course you ar…

Why are you ignoring what he means for an alternate interpretation of that particular sentence? He explicitly clarified that he’s talking about the EU not making smartphones. Your reply is more like hijacking his comment than actually conversing.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by ekianjo »

05 wrote: post #38
ekianjo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> then glue tabs can be pried by hand. There should be no reason to use glue for batteries. Unnecessary hazard that can easily lead to house fire if you have to use force of a thermal source to remove the glue.

If you discharge the battery first it won’t catch on fire if you puncture or overheat it.. so, don’t replace a fully charged battery and you should be fine.

Yes. But you don't expect everyone to do that, when you think about safety. You assume the worst, not the best.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by nonethewiser »

f6v wrote: post #28

I don’t know. I already have to click cookie buttons on every goddamn web site I visit, it’s annoying as hell. These EU initiatives can be a bit pointless. Battery needs to be replaced like once every 2-3 years. Why change the device design to make battery user-replaceable when I can bring it to the repair shop?

Its so much worse in Europe too. Didnt realize until I traveled there after this regulation.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by nonethewiser »

croes wrote: post #31
f6v wrote: post #28

I don’t know. I already have to click cookie buttons on every goddamn web site I visit, it’s annoying as hell. These EU initiatives can be a bit pointless. Battery needs to be replaced like once every 2-3 years. Why change the device design to make battery user-replaceable when I can bring it to the repair shop?

They cookie banners are the fault of the website owners. They did this on purpose so the users would blame the laws. Could have simple valued the Do-Not-Track flag but they didn't want to.

If thats true then their competitors will gladly not ask for permission and enjoy higher user satisfaction and the banners will disappear due to that long term.

But we all know thats bullshit and the law actually did cause this.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by nonethewiser »

vletal wrote: post #42
nuker wrote: post #33

I’d hate to lose waterproof feature on iPhone. For it’ll be dealbreaker.

Submarines are not glued tight, yet they are waterproof. Much bigger deal for Apple is design. Exposed screws sealing the back cover would give Jony Ive OCD ticks, I'm sure

Submarines are also waaaaaay more expensive. Largely due to all the engineering and quality control that goes into what you’re talking about.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by nonethewiser »

john61 wrote: post #16
veave wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which goes to show that the option is there and people don't take it because they simnply don't want it so this regulation is the EU being the EU.

Regulation is not made for the benefit of individuals, but for the benefit of society as a whole. In this case, for the environment or the planet. I doubt that people don't want a planet to live.

Society as a whole is just a bunch of individuals. If its bad for individuals its bad for society.
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