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Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by goodbyesf »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #65
kneebonian wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theres an avid discussion on the other thread about this, but the short answer is likely yes. They were probably crushed, incinerated and then bludgeoned to death in less than 3ms, and probably unconscious before they were aware of any of the rest of it.

Damn, why don't we execute people that way (if we're still executing people, that is)?

Can you imagine the torture of waiting to be turned into a "meat cloud"? It's also probably prohibitively expensive to construct a "meat cloud device".

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by trog »

psychphysic wrote: post #3

Well heck I just argued with a bunch of people, who said the USN knew but would never tell anyone and me saying it's a baseless claim. I guess we were both wrong.

The USN might also say they knew, without actually knowing, just to exaggerate the claims of their capabilities.

I take everything any country says about stuff like this with massive grains of salt - if they're not providing the information in real-time and then it later turns out to be true then coming back later and saying "oh we knew that all along" is kinda hard to take seriously.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by BestGuess »

jonah wrote: post #67
noah_buddy wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of a thorough and depressing write up of the lost hikers in a south western desert. An experienced search and rescue guy spent years finding where they perished, navigating bureaucracy and the arid landscape even though the victims were certainly deceased.

Aahh, you're probably talking about Tom Mahood's: The Hunt for the Death Valley Germans. They were in Death Valley NP. An epic and gripping tale for sure. It made quite an impression on me as I was joining my local SAR team. https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/search-and-rescue/the-hu...

Well there goes my evening. thank ya kindly for sharing sir. I hear tell lots of independent people who are doing things anyway, like magnet fishers or sonar people and the like. Lots of times local PD's are very hostile like that story sort of indicated about the local sheriff with sharing information, threatening tresspassing where there ain't no tresspass or laws broken, refusing to share any information, things like that. Wish that sorta thing would stop. Meanwhile you get others who welcome any help at all and seems to me like they usually get answers that way at least by exclusion. We could use more of that where people got the skills and stuff to do it safely, but that's my mostly ignorant guess of the situation. Don't know nothin about SAR or the like so take my limited notion for what it is I suppose.

If you've more to tell or share I'd be much obliged

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by QuarterReptile »

yborg wrote: post #6

I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.

This assumes that the watchstanders who heard the banging were experienced enough to have a sense that it was implosion. Just as likely, some junior guy maybe heard it and waited to see if anyone else would say something because "they probably heard it too and they all know better than me."

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by paleotrope »

jzymbaluk wrote: post #55
ALittleLight wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Top secret info is shared on a need-to-know basis. The coast guard needed the information, the public didn't

Why does the public need to know now if that is the case?

I think it's likely the news articles are making it sound more definitive than the Navy was thinking, or maybe the person leaking it to the press was trying to make themselves seem more important or make the Navy seem more omniscient.

It does sound like the Navy reviewed their data they had already collected and discovered the implosion and informed people on site that they likely had a termination event.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by ChatGTP »

goodbyesf wrote: post #81
shrimp_emoji wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn, why don't we execute people that way (if we're still executing people, that is)?

Can you imagine the torture of waiting to be turned into a "meat cloud"? It's also probably prohibitively expensive to construct a "meat cloud device".

It sounds gruesome, but maybe some people have a preference ?

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by gexla »

xienze wrote: post #35
yborg wrote: post #6

I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.

The cynical part of me thinks everyone involved knew what had happened on Sunday. There was ample evidence that the submersible imploded (repeated stress on a carbon fiber frame, zero regard for safety, the fact that all communication was lost permanently). Then there was the fact that the logistics involved in a rescue were basically insurmountable. The Navy/Coast Guard saw this as a good live training exercise and…

Add to that the fact that it didn't surface by releasing the ballasts. It lost communications before it reached the wreckage. The pilot needed that communication to find the wreckage.

Maybe they would have continued to make the attempt. But unless it got snagged, the ballasts were designed to break off after 24 hours and rise to the surface.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by pasmafaute »

listenallyall wrote: post #73

Maybe this is off-topic, but in the midst of so much controversy about "top-secret documents" -- is it actually legal to leak out that such a "top secret military acoustic detection system" even exists, and if so, the results of the system's use? I mean, how is it "top secret" if it's in the newspaper?

It's very common for "technical details" of a system to receive a different classification than the "fact of existence" of said system.

In other words, it's widely known that the Navy has a system for listening. The internal designation, capabilities and limits of operation are not widely known and that information should be kept secret.

> The Navy asked that the specific system used not be named, citing national security concerns.

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