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Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure

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Post by fragmede »

nrp wrote: post #49
Triangle9349 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the stupid question, what is the advantage of your new connection for gpu? why not oculink or pcie riser or thunderbolt?

PCIe is too physically large, Oculink is too thick and doesn't have enough pins for power, and Thunderbolt has protocol overhead and throughput limitations.

Yeah, sorry, no. Thunderbolt does have overhead and limitations, but imo those limitations don't justify making a new standard, even if it's more open than the others. Maybe you could say more about those limitations and convince me?

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Post by rcoveson »

PDTao5Q2TMaTp7U wrote: post #73

I like the self repair options, but the attachments are just dongles in another form factor

Notable, a form factor that does not dangle.

Are PCIe cards just dongles in another form factor? Is it a question of how much of the peripheral's surface area is visible from the outside? Or is it the difficulty of insertion/removal that separates expansion cards from dongles?

For me it's the dangling that makes the dongle a dongle.

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Post by MostlyStable »

PDTao5Q2TMaTp7U wrote: post #73

I like the self repair options, but the attachments are just dongles in another form factor

Is your point that dongles are bad and therefore these are bad? If so, can you explain what it is you think is bad about dongles, and how this different form factor doesn't fix those issues?

If that's not your point, then what is your point? My issue with dongle-based connections is generally 2 fold: dongles are an awkward thing to have/carry around and having dongle-based connectors usually means you only have 1-2 connectors total. Neither of those issues applies in this case, so to whatever extent they can be considered dongles, they also aren't a problem in my mind.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure

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Post by fragmede »

bboygravity wrote: post #45
rfwhyte wrote: post #13

Still waiting for the other shoe to drop with a pricing announcement. I keep getting almost excited about the Framework 16", but then I'm remember it's probably going to be well over $2500USD for a decently specced model (without a GPU even) and my excitement quickly dissipates.

What's the alternative high quality laptop in that price-range though? A Dell XPS that comes with a lose trackpad, massive coil whine, batteries that drain when plugged in and so on? Or an LG Gram Pro (more expensive than Framework) that isn't sold outside of the US and maybe some Asian countries where the only thing you can upgrade is the SSD? Or maybe some Apple laptop? I personally feel the price of a Framework is…

A Thinkpad T16 is going to be under $1,600.

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Post by SeanLuke »

kccqzy wrote: post #12

I don't know if magnesium is a common choice for computer enclosures, but one of the few examples of magnesium that I immediately recall (besides Surface) is a NeXT computer that went up in flames: https://simson.net/ref/1993/cubefire.html

It's important to note that Simson Garfinkel had to go through extraordinary measures to get the NeXT cube to catch fire.

Magnesium is pretty safe.

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Post by kcb »

kccqzy wrote: post #12

I don't know if magnesium is a common choice for computer enclosures, but one of the few examples of magnesium that I immediately recall (besides Surface) is a NeXT computer that went up in flames: https://simson.net/ref/1993/cubefire.html

Magnesium is pretty common in higher end Windows laptops.

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Post by DiabloD3 »

KRAKRISMOTT wrote: post #79
DiabloD3 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You stop shilling for System76, no matter how good their QA is, the actual product is trash. Their screens and casing are on the level of bargain store acer machines, not premium quality laptops. I want my Linux hardware to be on the level of Macs, "privacy" and "coreboot" are no excuse for lack of product vision and poor mechanical engineering.

Who said I'm shilling for System76?

If I'm buying a new laptop today, its gonna be a Framework.

If I need to recommend something more inexpensive and casual, System76 exists, but I'd only recommend that to people have yet to fix their flawed thinking and think they don't want a Framework.

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Post by Atreiden »

CarVac wrote: post #75
princevegeta89 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that really going to cost $2500 though? Sounds like a massive deal-breaker to me. Apple is giving me a Macbook Pro with solid hardware for an equivalent amount of money that I can always count on for everything I do, and still set it for ~40% of the value 5+ years later.

For this you don't need to sell it 5+ years down the road—you pop in a new mainboard with the latest processor, for much less than a new laptop would cost, and off you go.

And then you could sell or repurpose the old mainboard. There are 3D-printable enclosures that you could use to make it an HTPC. Really cool stuff
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