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Re: AI: First New UI Paradigm in 60 Years?

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Post by vsareto »

>And if you’re considering becoming a prompt engineer, don’t count on a long-lasting career.

There's like this whole class of technical jobs that only follow trends. If you were an en vogue blockchain developer, this is your next target if you want to remain trendy. It's hard to care about this happening as the technical debt incurred will be written off -- the company/project isn't ingrained enough in society to care about the long-term quality.

So best of luck, ye prompt engineers. I hope you collect multi-hundred-thousand dollar salaries and retire early.

Re: AI: First New UI Paradigm in 60 Years?

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Post by Animats »

ignoramous wrote: post #73
Animats wrote: post #63

This article isn't too helpful. There have been many "UI Paradigms", but the fancier ones tended to be special purpose. The first one worthy of the name was for train dispatching. That was General Railway Signal's NX (eNtry-Exit) system.[1] Introduced in 1936, still in use in the New York subways. With NX, the dispatcher routing an approaching train selected the "entry" track on which the train was approaching. The s…

Hallucinations will be tamed, I think. Only a matter of time (~3 to 5 years [0]) given the amount of research going into it? With that in mind, ambient computing has always threatened to be the next frontier in Human-Computer Interaction. Siri, Google Assistant, Alexa, and G Home predate today's LLM hype. Dare I say, the hype is real. As a consumer, GPT4 has shown capabilities far beyond whatever preceded it (with th…

> Hallucinations will be tamed.

I hope so. But so far, most of the proposals seem to involve bolting something on the outside of the black box of the LLM itself.

If medium-sized language models can be made hallucination-free, we'll see more applications. A base language model that has most of the language but doesn't try to contain all human knowledge, plus a special purpose model for the task at hand, would be very useful if reliable. That's what you need for car controls, customer service, and similar interaction.

Re: AI: First New UI Paradigm in 60 Years?

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Post by [deleted] »

ignoramous wrote: post #73
Animats wrote: post #63

This article isn't too helpful. There have been many "UI Paradigms", but the fancier ones tended to be special purpose. The first one worthy of the name was for train dispatching. That was General Railway Signal's NX (eNtry-Exit) system.[1] Introduced in 1936, still in use in the New York subways. With NX, the dispatcher routing an approaching train selected the "entry" track on which the train was approaching. The s…

Hallucinations will be tamed, I think. Only a matter of time (~3 to 5 years [0]) given the amount of research going into it? With that in mind, ambient computing has always threatened to be the next frontier in Human-Computer Interaction. Siri, Google Assistant, Alexa, and G Home predate today's LLM hype. Dare I say, the hype is real. As a consumer, GPT4 has shown capabilities far beyond whatever preceded it (with th…

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Re: AI: First New UI Paradigm in 60 Years?

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Post by PheonixPharts »

ignoramous wrote: post #73
Animats wrote: post #63

This article isn't too helpful. There have been many "UI Paradigms", but the fancier ones tended to be special purpose. The first one worthy of the name was for train dispatching. That was General Railway Signal's NX (eNtry-Exit) system.[1] Introduced in 1936, still in use in the New York subways. With NX, the dispatcher routing an approaching train selected the "entry" track on which the train was approaching. The s…

Hallucinations will be tamed, I think. Only a matter of time (~3 to 5 years [0]) given the amount of research going into it? With that in mind, ambient computing has always threatened to be the next frontier in Human-Computer Interaction. Siri, Google Assistant, Alexa, and G Home predate today's LLM hype. Dare I say, the hype is real. As a consumer, GPT4 has shown capabilities far beyond whatever preceded it (with th…

> Hallucinations will be tamed, I think.

I don't think that's likely unless there was a latent space of "Truth" which could be discovered through the right model.

That would be a far more revolutionary discovery than anyone can possibly imagine. For starters the last 300+ years of Western Philosophy would be essentially proven unequivocally wrong.

edit: If you're going to downvote this please elaborate. LLMs currently operate by sampling from a latent semantic space and then decoding that back into language. In order for models to know the "truth", there would have to be a latent space of "true statements" that was effectively directly observable. All points along that surface would represent "truth" statements and that would be the most radical human discovery the history of the species.

Re: AI: First New UI Paradigm in 60 Years?

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Post by alphabet9000 »

james-bcn wrote: post #2

That website has a surprisingly boring design. I haven't looked at it in years, and was expecting some impressively clean and elegant design. But it looks like a Wordpress site.

yeah the site is bad, but not because it is boring, but because it should be even more simplified than how it is now. almost of the CSS "finishing touches" have something wrong with them. the content shifts on page load: https://hiccupfx.telnet.asia/nielsen.gif bizarre dropdown button behavior: https://hiccupfx.telnet.asia/what.gif and i can go on and on. i don't feel this nitpick whining is unwarranted considering the site purports to be a leader in user experience.

Re: AI: First New UI Paradigm in 60 Years?

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Post by jart »

Animats wrote: post #63

This article isn't too helpful. There have been many "UI Paradigms", but the fancier ones tended to be special purpose. The first one worthy of the name was for train dispatching. That was General Railway Signal's NX (eNtry-Exit) system.[1] Introduced in 1936, still in use in the New York subways. With NX, the dispatcher routing an approaching train selected the "entry" track on which the train was approaching. The s…

When you say train dispatching and control panels, I think you've illustrated how confused this whole discussion is. There should be a separate term called "operator interface" that is separate from "user interface" because UIs have never had any locus of control, because they're for users, and operators are the ones in control. Requesting that an LLM do something is like pressing the button to close the doors of an elevator. Do you feel in charge?

Re: AI: First New UI Paradigm in 60 Years?

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Post by andsoitis »

Timon3 wrote: post #34
wbobeirne wrote: post #16

> With this new UI paradigm, represented by current generative AI, the user tells the computer the desired result but does not specify how this outcome should be accomplished. This doesn't seem like a whole new paradigm, we already do that. When I hit the "add comment" button below, I'm not specifically instructing the web server how I want my comment inserted into a database (if it even is a database at all.) This i…

I think the important part from the article that establishes the difference is this: > As I mentioned, in command-based interactions, the user issues commands to the computer one at a time, gradually producing the desired result (if the design has sufficient usability to allow people to understand what commands to issue at each step). The computer is fully obedient and does exactly what it’s told. The downside is tha…

> Generative AI does the same in one stroke.

But it isn’t creating what I had in mind, or envisioned, if you will.

Re: AI: First New UI Paradigm in 60 Years?

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Post by Bjorkbat »

I really wouldn’t call GUIs a “command-based paradigm”. Feels much more like they’re digital analogues of tools and objects. Your mouse is a tool, and you use it to interface with objects and things, and through special software it can become a more specialized tool (word processors, spreadsheets, graphic design software, etc). You aren’t issuing commands, you’re manipulating a digital environment with tools.

Which is why the notion of conversational AI (or whatever dumb name they came up with for the “third paradigm”) seems kind of alien to me. I mean, I definitely see its utility, but I find it hard to imagine it being as dominant as some are arguing it could be. Any task that involves browsing for information seems like more of an object manipulation task. Any task involving some kind of visual design seems like a tool manipulation task, unless you aren’t too picky about the final result.

Ultimately I think conversational UI is best suited not for tasks, but services. Granted, the line between the two can be fuzzy at times. If you’re looking for a website, but you don’t personally know anything about making a website, then that task morphs into a service that someone or something else does.

Which I suppose is kind of the other reason why I find the idea kind of alien. I almost never use the computer for services. I use it to browse, to create, to work, all of which entail something more intuitively suited to object or tool manipulation.

Re: AI: First New UI Paradigm in 60 Years?

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Post by philovivero »

Animats wrote: post #63

This article isn't too helpful. There have been many "UI Paradigms", but the fancier ones tended to be special purpose. The first one worthy of the name was for train dispatching. That was General Railway Signal's NX (eNtry-Exit) system.[1] Introduced in 1936, still in use in the New York subways. With NX, the dispatcher routing an approaching train selected the "entry" track on which the train was approaching. The s…

> Both of those are systems which had to work right. Large language models are not even close to being safe to use in such applications. Until LLMs report "don't know" instead of hallucinating, they're limited to very low risk applications such as advertising and search.

Are humans limited to low-risk applications like that?

Because humans, even some of the most humble, will still assert things they THINK are true, but are patently untrue, based on misunderstandings, faulty memories, confused reasoning, and a plethora of others.

I can't count the number of times I've had conversations with extremely well-experience, smart techies who just spout off the most ignorant stuff.

And I don't want to count the number of times I've personally done that, but I'm sure it's >0. And I hate to tell you, but I've spent the last 20 years in positions of authority that could have caused massive amounts of damage not only to the companies I've been employed by, but a large cross-section of society as well. And those fools I referenced in the last paragraph? Same.

I think people are too hasty to discount LLMs, or LLM-backed agents, or other LLM-based applications because of their limitations.

(Related: I think people are too hasty to discount the catastrophic potential of self-modifying AGI as well)

Re: AI: First New UI Paradigm in 60 Years?

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Post by andsoitis »

krm01 wrote: post #44

The article fails to grasp the essence of what UI is actually about. I agree that AI is adding a new layer to UI and UX design. In our work [1] we have seen an increase in AI projects or features the last 12 months (for obvious reasons). However, the way that AI will contribute to better UI is to remove parts of the Interface. not simply giving it a new form. Let me explain, the ultimate UI is no UI. In a perfect sce…

> Let me explain, the ultimate UI is no UI. In a perfect scenario, you think about something (want pizza) and you have it (eating pizza) as instant as you desire.

That doesn’t solve for discovery. For instance, order the pizza from where? What kinds of pizza are available? I’m kinda in the mood for pizza, but not dead set on it so curious about other cuisines too. Etc.

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