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Re: Lemmy Instances are already blocking each other

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I used federated services like Mastadon before its own "Eternal September" and it feels to me, subjectively obviously, as someone who was on the Internet when Gopher, Telnet, MUDs, and USENET were basically it (except email) that there's this new obsession with moderation and walling off networks. Whatever happened to self-moderating? I have higher standards for my speech and on-line conduct than any TOS. Many others…

Self-moderating is an enormous effort. People want to leverage each other's work: if this guy says it's bad, it's probably bad.

You see a similar effect in spam. It would be a vast waste of your time to roll your own spam engine. Killfiles aren't sufficient; they spawn new accounts instantly. Spam used to dominate email, until big email hosts developed ways to shunt it off. And that requires constant management as the spammers find ways around those filters.

I'm glad for dang's moderation here on HN. I wouldn't come here if I had to roll my own killfile. It doesn't just keep the worst offenders away. It also keeps the conversations on topic, rather than degenerating into flame wars.

Moderation is of course imperfect, just as spam filters are. But without it, I find any open communications medium unusable. The loudest and most obnoxious voices dominate, effectively creating a different kind of censorship that keeps out the things I actually want.

Re: Lemmy Instances are already blocking each other

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Why not just use a centralised forum app?

Honestly, I don't think a centralised app is really a good solution in this space. It's going to be big, it's going to be expensive, and as soon as someone tries to pay for it, they're going to end up repeating all the same mistakes. I actually think a large problem with lemmy is that it's already too centralised. Each instance is trying to be a reddit. Which is all very nice, but it also means each instance is effec…

Yes, absolutely this for the content-side.

Especially in the tech world, it would make sense for r/php to be hosted and run by the offical php.net guys, r/laravel by the laravel.com crew, r/vuejs by ... (you get it).

However it'd be hard for the subreddit hosters to manage which user-facing instances are allowed to post. If shitposters could just fire up new personal instances every time they were banned, then subreddit hosters would just be playing whack-a-mole and get fed up with it.

They'd almost have to require that users post from instances with good reputations - and now we've just reinvented e-mail's problem of forcing users into using one of the big providers in order to be able to send/post anything.

Too bad we can't have nice things

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