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Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

#81
post #5

What's the end game here for reddit? There's no way this would end well.

What do you mean? How can this end poorly? Most people browsing Reddit are addicted with no viable substitutes. Breaking their addiction through continued blackouts would end badly. Replacing some mods no user cares about will hardly have an impact. Lets be realistic.

Yes, let's be realistic. Most people browsing reddit are not addicted. This isn't 2013. The site is massive, and, the most important users aren't just random "terminally online" people. Continuing to antagonize a key "constituency" in what makes the platform so incredibly valuable is a TERRIBLE strategy. Even replacing mods of small / unimportant (alone) subreddits is not a good idea (right now).

That said, I do think Reddit Inc. can solve this without having to "give" too much ... in fact, I think Reddit Inc. could come out BETTER off if they go about this the right way.

Fundamentally, that way is relatively simple and should be easier for them, as well - basically, showing communities, mods, etc. some basic respect. No more dissembling, no more misleading / outright incorrect communication, no more "royal edict" tone in decisions - and, ideally, just the most basic overtures to involving 3rd parties that have HELPED the platform grow and thrive (regardless of whether they've benefitted directly financially or not) ... some basic cleanup of PR and decision-making processes would be very helpful for all. Hell, even a simple apology for some of what has happened - no one needs to be "wrong" for that to be the case. And, I don't think there is any particular person or party that is right or wrong, here. Just terrible communications and decisions, probably "distributed", realistically.

If not, the platform likely isn't going off a cliff, but it'll be a shell of its former self and likely enter a classic decline a la LiveJournal, Tumblr, etc. This may be likely in any case, but they hardly need to guarantee it before they've even IPO'ed.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

#83
post #30

For someone kind of out of the loop, can someone explain what they think reddit should do instead of charging for their API access? After all Reddit is a business right? What alternatives do users want reddit to do instead?

My best take?

Make 3P API access require a reddit gold sub. $6/mo and it lets you use whatever client you want and reddit gets that $4, not a dev who has to pay it forward.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

#84
Watch out folks - critical discussions about Reddit seem to be getting flagged as flame bait. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36347400

Idk why. We should be able to have a civilized, intellectually curious discussion about this. The future of Reddit (and its implications for the future of the Internet) is pretty on-topic to me for HN.

@dang can we get a stance on this?

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

#85
post #60

Another day and another nail in another awesome online community that has terrible leadership. Where will the communities move to? What new areas of the Internet will be created?

If they replace the mods with sympathetic mods, then maybe they can weather the protests. Question 1 is can they find cooperative mods who will not betray them. Question 2 is will they steer the community in the same way as the previous mods? Mods, for better or for worse, dictate the culture of a community.

Q1) Sure, why not. Plenty of power tripping people out there wishing for a turn at the banhammer.

Q2) No. The communities are already failing just because the exodus of power users is causing a lack of self-moderation via up/down votes. Add to that random tyrants who haven't built the community, and there is no way for them to survive.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

#86

Another day and another nail in another awesome online community that has terrible leadership. Where will the communities move to? What new areas of the Internet will be created?

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Hey TIL I am a "whining idiot" because I do use a 3rd app, refuse to use the official reddit mobile app, and see this API access as a prelude to killing off old.reddit as well, which is the only usable web based UI, the new UI is trash.

So if old.reddit goes, and 3rd party apps go, I have no interest in suing reddit.

I guess that means I am a whining idiot

//for the record I am not a mod anywhere on reddit at all

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

#87
post #24

Ah the classic beatings will continue until morale improves approach. Starting to think Reddit leadership is genuinely not all that sharp

There are likely hundreds if not thousands of users who would be willing to become mods of each of the subreddits that are still in private mode. I know I would mod some of the subs I find useful.

How do you tell a willing user with the intention to keep a sub running as is, and a willing user who just wants to burn it all down, turn it into their own fiefdom, or worse?

What's the ratio of the former to the latter, and does Reddit have the manpower to tell to the difference on a time frame that keeps the subs alive?

What's the impact of a bunch of people who know how the sausage is made being essentially coup'ed by Reddit? Are they going to shrug and move on? Swear eternal vengeance?

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

#89

Another day and another nail in another awesome online community that has terrible leadership. Where will the communities move to? What new areas of the Internet will be created?

https://squabbles.io is the best alternative I've seen. The Fediverse is a cool idea in theory but I think at this point in time it's not ready for primetime. It's too complicated for casual users to figure out, plus federation invites drama all of its own - e.g. Beehaw, a major Lemmy instance, has defederated with lemmy.world

Uh... I'm just went there and the first thing I see is "Welcome all sinners! This is a place to talk about your sins in a braggadocious way. Repent if you feel like you have to but no judgment shall be made here about the crazy shit you've done." What the hell? So, it is basically dropping me into the equivalent of one of Reddit's more trashier subreddits, but on the front page?

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

#90
post #20

One thing that I was unaware of, that seems even more dire than the api pricing changes, is that Reddit apparently intends to IPO in the near ( This signals to me that the service is guaranteed to steadily worsen until it's unrecognizable & forced into (deserved) irrelevance.

First (step?) of the IPO filing happened back in 2020 if I remember correctly, but they backed out as they didn't think they & the market wasn't "good enough yet" or something in that vein.

2020 wasn't "good enough"?! The entire world went into lockdown, that should've been a golden era for them
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