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Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

#81

Never noticed any issues with snap, but truth be told I seldom use it for installing anything. If someone is unhappy with snap why use it? There is no requirement to use snap, usually you can get .deb from somewhere, you can find ppa, or install from source.

> If someone is unhappy with snap why use it?

That is largely the point. Though they are not using it by moving to a distro where it isn't “native” so they don't have to do things more manually for some packages that they need/want.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

#82

I don't want snaps anywhere. Definitely not on the server (ever looked how much RAM it takes on a machine with 512MB - 1GB of RAM?) and also not on the desktop. I don't have to optimise my machine to get the calculator run within 1-2 seconds, this is just bad by design and there is no excuse. They are an abomination or workaround for problems in OS library packaging (& manager) and OS security concepts. If snaps are…

> If snaps are so cool why are there no similar concepts in other famous major desktops (even non Linux)?

APKs are pretty much the Android equivalent. In both cases the key features are sandboxing and bundling of dependencies. The stores also work roughly equivalently - like with snaps you can install an APK without a store, and that mechanism is what alternative stores use, but for full integration there's really just one: the Google Play Store.

iOS works pretty much the same way too, as far as I understand.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

#83
post #70

> My daily driver is a middle-aged Dell laptop, it’s about five years old but because I invested in the highest spec I could at the time, with an i7 of the day and 16 gigabytes of memory it’s still a contender. I like how they need to defend themselves for using a 5 year old laptop.

What? A top spec 5 year old (2018) laptop should be plenty fast for most common desktop use. I have a 2016 Dell latitude laying around with Debian 11 on it. It is plenty fast for most things. Even running virtual machines in virtual box with gaming (mostly older Windows games I run in a WinXP VM)

I'm typing this on a top spec 10 year old laptop. I'm saying it's funny to see them feel that they need to defend that choice.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

#84
post #34

Arch Linux is a meme but also a really solid distro. I'm writing this from a 2+ year old Arch install that has had basically 0 stability issues. "Rolling release" gets an undeserved bad reputation in my opinion, and many arch packages aren't as bleeding edge as you'd expect. Compared to Ubuntu where I'd often have major issues in between releases, I don't think I could ever go back.

Same here, every system is different, but my main desktop Arch installation is kicking since 6 years now with absolute minimal maintenance issues. Perhaps 1-2 times per year maximum things need to be fixed manually in super rare cases.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

#85

I made the same move a few years ago and honestly never looked back. Manjaro might have its warts, but it works really well, has an active community, and gives almost all the advantages of Arch (the AUR is amazing!) for "cowards" like me. Manjaro "just worked" and it has been extremely easy to roll with the updates since install. I have since migrated other machines to Manjaro happily.

> the AUR is amazing

Every time I end up on the Ubuntu machine: "sudo apt install somet" nothing. Urgh. Off I go to Google "install Ubuntu" and visit some third party website for a .deb.

If I wanted to circumvent the packaging system by default, I'd use Windows.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

#86

Snaps are awful. Even simple programs like 'calculator' take multiple seconds to start. I'm planning to bail on Ubuntu soon as well.

Sounds like they worked too hard on making things feel safe and familiar to Windows users who might want to migrate.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

#87
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with Debian is how old application packages are, and I'm not really into Flatpak. Fedora's packages are pretty close in recency to what's shipping on other platforms.

Debian testing is more stable than other "so-called stable" distros, and has often newer packages than the contemporary ubuntu version.

Debian testing puts you in a pretty bad place in terms of security updates; you're not getting new upstream releases as quickly as unstable/experimental, but they don't do dedicated backports of security fixes like with stable.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

#89
I've heard a lot of praise for Debian and Ubuntu but the former was regularly kernel-panicking after updates (granted that was 10+ years ago so I am definitely not being up-to-date -- or even fair -- here) and the latter just keeps piling more and more stuff inside itself, defeating the purpose of a Linux box (for me at least; I want something much more minimal than macOS).

Not to mention Ubuntu moves more and more stuff to Snap and you get to the ridiculous situation of a basic calculator needing seconds to start. Yeah, frak that.

Furthermore, I use various CLI tools regularly in my work and I can't wait for Debian to update them 6 months in the future.

I need something that has the minimum amount of background processes but also without suffering any user or developer usability problems; so not like the absolutely minimal set of services but the minimally viable set of services that give you very usable machine without any bloat.

Maybe Arch is the best for my criteria but I installed Manjaro and never looked back since (2.5 years now). The only one problem I ever had was I think December 2022 when they shipped an OpenSSH version that hard-deprecated (read: removed / stopped support for) certain crypto algorithms, and my key was of course using one of them. I grumbled but connected a display and keyboard to the machine (it's one of my servers at home), migrated my keys to the new algorithms, put them on a USB pen drive, put them on my workstation and all was right again.

Not even once had I any of the "rolling distribution" problems that people mention regularly on Reddit. Of course I might have been lucky.

Lately I am meticulously extracting a fully OS-neutral dotfiles configuration (and I am like 95% done) and then will create a OS-neutral bootstrapping set of scripts and will install Manjaro on 2 or 3 of my spare laptops and I expect no problems at all. It's a very "out of your way" distro and I love it for that.

(I am aware that there are people who have a beef with Manjaro because apparently they outright "stole" code -- which sounds meaningless to me when we're talking open-source, can somebody explain? -- and just rebranded stuff for themselves but as their user I can egotistically claim this has absolutely zero effect on me, I don't care and I use the distro because it hits the right spots for me.)

I love my iMac Pro but the tinkering possibilities are vastly reduced compared to any Linux box (example: I want to experiment with ZFS and BCacheFS but of course both are not supported on a Mac, and virtualization / containerization is much more inefficient -- and slow -- on a Mac compared to a Linux machine). I will very likely be buying an M2 (or M3 when they come out) laptop just for the excellent display and will do my work "on it" by actually remoting to a Linux workstation.

Plus, call me an old fart but I'd like my `ps aux` output to be maximum 70 lines long. I want control over my machine.

Maybe I'll come crying back to Macs in a few years, who knows. But I'll make a very serious effort to take back control of my computing in the meantime.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

#90

I read through the comments here and I’m not excited at all about using something other than Ubuntu. Instead I’m solidly confident that macOS as a daily driver is the right choice for a busy developer who doesn’t want to mess with stuff.

I bet if you looked on a MacOS tweaker forum you'd find just as much attention paid to nonsense tuning. And if anything I'd say MacOS is more likely to pull the rug out from under you than Ubuntu, they're pretty aggressive about droping backward compatibility for things.
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