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CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

photochemsyn wrote: post #70
GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #47

Biological weapons are not used by the US due to practicality, not morality. 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities. 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die. 3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area. Spray tanks require flying at low altitude at slow speeds, or multiple deployments at high speeds. Munitions w…

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> on a military front the dispersal mechanisms more or less ensured that both sides of the conflict would end up infected

This would be fine if you fired them far behind the front. The problem is chemical weapons “are less effective than an equivalent [mass] of conventional, high explosive munitions (or, at levels of extreme escalation, tactical and strategic nuclear weapons)” [1]. That’s why the only folks who deploy them anymore are those without modern militaries fighting non-modern adversaries.

[1] https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-ch...

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by kornhole »

GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #47

Biological weapons are not used by the US due to practicality, not morality. 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities. 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die. 3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area. Spray tanks require flying at low altitude at slow speeds, or multiple deployments at high speeds. Munitions w…

A few engineered viruses can go a long way cheaply. Problem is you cannot control the spread. You need to have a vaccine ready for the blowback.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

coldtea wrote: post #35
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a fair comparison. Frankly the Nazis are overrated. Nazis: ~6 million Soviet Union: ~20 million China Cultural Revolution: ~30 million Though the Soviet Union and China ones were more of a result of incredibly bad economic policies. The Soviets still killed ~1-2 million in Gulags directly. Let’s also not forget the Japanese genocides against China. Nanjing, Unit 731… There also is, of course, more recent ones th…

At least the CPP and China only fucked their own people - plus, the numbers are hugely inflated BS as you note, adding results of bad policies, and famines etc in societies torn by wars and poverty. Regarding those, one could include the British genocide of Irish and Indian people which used those as explicit tools even (as opposed to mere incompetence, not to mention ruling India wasn't their job in the first place)…

> the CPP and China only fucked their own people

The Nazis thought they were fucking their own people. Every oppressive power uses this excuse.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by kornhole »

phpisthebest wrote: post #32

You can not have "Government by the people, for the people" when you allow some people to keep secrets from other people under the guise of "national security" Self governance is incompatible with states secrets, and only leads to abuse, corruption, and tyranny. History is full of known abuses, and for every known abuse there is the potential for LOTS of unknown abuse. One can say "well congress will hold them accoun…

How would we be able to weaponize human rights abuses in other countries if the world knew we were deploying bioweapons? Censhorship, propaganda, and secrecy is the answer.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by kornhole »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #8

I stopped reading when the author categorized "prisoners of war being told to read confessions over Chinese propaganda radio" as "testifying publicly", almost at the start of the piece: > It was the propaganda version of an incendiary bomb. In 1952 U.S. Air Force and Marine flyers, shot down during the Korean War, testified publicly that they had been ordered to drop biological weapons (BW) on China and North Korea.…

You should have kept reading. The article goes into quite a bit of detail on this debate and how the CIA was preparing before their confessions to explain that they were forced to say things. There is a rich story around many people and their different accounts.

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Post by dukeofdoom »

orangepurple wrote: post #80
GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #47

Biological weapons are not used by the US due to practicality, not morality. 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities. 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die. 3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area. Spray tanks require flying at low altitude at slow speeds, or multiple deployments at high speeds. Munitions w…

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This is the most likely scenario at this point. Not sure why you're being downvoted.

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Post by _kbh_ »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #86

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> Bioweapon labs in Ukraine is one of Putin's stated reasons for the Invasion. Allegedly work was being done on targeting specific ethnicities, like slavs. Ukraine was a very politically corrupt country, for a long time. Would not surprise me if this was true.

This is one of Putins and his supporters Krokodil inspired fever dreams that never existed, Russia also said they wouldn’t invade the day before they did.

They have also been saying that Ukraine is using black magic witch battalions to be attack them, do you believe?.

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Post by dukeofdoom »

_kbh_ wrote: post #88
dukeofdoom wrote: post #86

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> Bioweapon labs in Ukraine is one of Putin's stated reasons for the Invasion. Allegedly work was being done on targeting specific ethnicities, like slavs. Ukraine was a very politically corrupt country, for a long time. Would not surprise me if this was true. This is one of Putins and his supporters Krokodil inspired fever dreams that never existed, Russia also said they wouldn’t invade the day before they did. They…

I base my opinon on the following:

1) Gain of function research was being done in China by Ecohealth Alliance, funded under a program headed by Fauci. The most logical motivation for this is bioweapon research. Testimony to this fact was solicited by Rand Paul in congress. Covid was made in a lab.

2) The US did send Al Qaeda prisoners to Black sites in Eastern Europe for enhanced interrogation (torture). This establishes a previous willingness to skirt international rules.

3) Given the geopolitical situation, I do think that the government in Ukraine would do almost anything the West asked of them.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by photochemsyn »

RajT88 wrote: post #79
photochemsyn wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Big claim at the end there. The FBI agents assigned to that investigation themselves admit they are not sure Bruce Ivins was their man. Nor if he was, that he acted alone. Even if it was just him, no evidence of motivation was ever found. Truly one of our nation's great unsolved mysteries.

No it wasn't Bruce Ivins, the anthrax powder in the envelopes was a highly sophisticated preparation and Ivins didn't have access to the necessary technology (electrospray aerosolization of pure spores in a specific solution designed to make them maximally aerosolizable when dry).

If you look up 'electrospray technology for vaccine production' c. 1999 you'll find the culprits. In West Jefferson, Ohio, acting under CIA government contracts delivered to Battelle Memorial Institute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Jefferson

The truth is often a painful thing.

...Incidentally this is also why the aerosolizable route to vaccination was abandoned, if you look up the history, the technology used to make a stable dry inhalable vaccine was far too likely to be used to make bioweapons..

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10194842/

(1999) Dry powder inhalation as a potential delivery method for vaccines

That's why you've never heard of it since. You can encapsulate live bioweapon viruses and bacteria as well as vaccine particles using that technology, which of course the Russia, China, America, Israel, India, etc. are all well aware of.

I wish they would quit lying about it, and just admit what they've been up to.

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