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Privacy: One of the Most Fundamental Human Rights, yet Constantly Under Threat

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Re: Privacy: One of the Most Fundamental Human Rights, yet Constantly Under Threat

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

booboofixer wrote: post #69

In the discussion of losing privacy we focus on the social freedoms lost as a result of loss of privacy. I agree with all of those arguments but missing from these discussions are the economic freedoms we might lose. People like to portray their least favorite countries as being engaged in corporate espionage in other developed countries, but what stops your favorite big corp from stealing what you create? Going forw…

Neither voters nor the press has a meaningful objection to lawmakers trading campaign cash & jobs for law & power. As long as that condition persists, I see no path away from what you describe.

Re: Privacy: One of the Most Fundamental Human Rights, yet Constantly Under Threat

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

deutschepost wrote: post #74

Everytime I read threads like this I get very concerned. It's like, even here, people don't understand the core problem. Or are intentionally trying to shift the blame away from big tech. Of course the state spies on you. After Edward Snowden everyone should know that. And thats a big problem because the state is the one actor that should fight to protect you from surveillance. But let's not claim that big tech is no…

I imagine that this site is more heavily skewed towards a population of people who work/ed at FAANGs and/or who write software that dips into the personal data cookie jar much more heavily than need be, for various reasons.

Something something, salaries depend on not understanding the objections to invasive surveillance capitalism (or not caring), and egos depend on always being the hero of their own stories.

Re: Privacy: One of the Most Fundamental Human Rights, yet Constantly Under Threat

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Post by georgeplusplus »

booboofixer wrote: post #69

In the discussion of losing privacy we focus on the social freedoms lost as a result of loss of privacy. I agree with all of those arguments but missing from these discussions are the economic freedoms we might lose. People like to portray their least favorite countries as being engaged in corporate espionage in other developed countries, but what stops your favorite big corp from stealing what you create? Going forw…

I suggest you read some books on espionage. China is a fantastic example of what corporate espionage can do. If interested I recommend Silent Invasion.

There is tremendous knowledge to be gained also, to call the opposite of privacy social freedom, is disturbing to me. If you are more private in some aspects of your life does not mean you cannot be more social in others.

Re: Privacy: One of the Most Fundamental Human Rights, yet Constantly Under Threat

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Post by robertlagrant »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #34
robertlagrant wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same is true of state surveillance, except the state has the right to do way more directly bad things to you.

Sure. Both are bad. But it's not the state that's created massive, unaccountable, opaque, private marketplaces that incentivize these behaviours.

It's true that it does massive unaccountable opaque surveillance without the need of a buyer (other than the taxes of the people it surveils ). But the state definitely allows this information to be bought and sold, as the state is ultimately responsible for safeguarding its citizens from itself, other states, and from private entities.

Re: Privacy: One of the Most Fundamental Human Rights, yet Constantly Under Threat

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Post by rayiner »

I can’t get any normies interested in privacy. Even my wife, who is the most tin-foil-hat woman I know, is perfectly fine with NSA spying, the TSA, etc. Given that, how can anyone say that privacy is “one of the most fundamental human rights?” The masses obviously don’t agree. And who else even has standing to decide what’s a human right and what isn’t?

Re: Privacy: One of the Most Fundamental Human Rights, yet Constantly Under Threat

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Post by uoaei »

edgyquant wrote: post #23
diegoholiveira wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many fundamental rights that everyone can agree on today used to be rare in the past, so I'm not sure that use this perspective is the right thing to do.

It is. You can’t just argue for something you want as it being a human right when it’s something most people aren’t that concerns with. It makes people not take you or what you’re arguing seriously

You keep saying "people" but you seem only to mean "me"

Re: Privacy: One of the Most Fundamental Human Rights, yet Constantly Under Threat

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Post by dghlsakjg »

georgeplusplus wrote: post #83
booboofixer wrote: post #69

In the discussion of losing privacy we focus on the social freedoms lost as a result of loss of privacy. I agree with all of those arguments but missing from these discussions are the economic freedoms we might lose. People like to portray their least favorite countries as being engaged in corporate espionage in other developed countries, but what stops your favorite big corp from stealing what you create? Going forw…

I suggest you read some books on espionage. China is a fantastic example of what corporate espionage can do. If interested I recommend Silent Invasion. There is tremendous knowledge to be gained also, to call the opposite of privacy social freedom, is disturbing to me. If you are more private in some aspects of your life does not mean you cannot be more social in others.

The only book I could find called Silent Invasion is about Trump and Covid, is that what you are recomending?

Re: Privacy: One of the Most Fundamental Human Rights, yet Constantly Under Threat

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Post by TheCleric »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #87
georgeplusplus wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suggest you read some books on espionage. China is a fantastic example of what corporate espionage can do. If interested I recommend Silent Invasion. There is tremendous knowledge to be gained also, to call the opposite of privacy social freedom, is disturbing to me. If you are more private in some aspects of your life does not mean you cannot be more social in others.

The only book I could find called Silent Invasion is about Trump and Covid, is that what you are recomending?

I believe they are referring to this book:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Invasion_(book)

Re: Privacy: One of the Most Fundamental Human Rights, yet Constantly Under Threat

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Post by aio2 »

rayiner wrote: post #85

I can’t get any normies interested in privacy. Even my wife, who is the most tin-foil-hat woman I know, is perfectly fine with NSA spying, the TSA, etc. Given that, how can anyone say that privacy is “one of the most fundamental human rights?” The masses obviously don’t agree. And who else even has standing to decide what’s a human right and what isn’t?

Sorry for the confusion, but what is TSA and what did they do?

Re: Privacy: One of the Most Fundamental Human Rights, yet Constantly Under Threat

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Post by AlexandrB »

anfogoat wrote: post #41
diegoholiveira wrote: post #15

> Our mission is clear - we aim to unravel the magic of FOSS, Linux, and self-hosting to individuals seeking a break from the shackles of Big Tech. IMO, it's not only Big Tech that poses a threat on privacy and freedom. Big Governments are other threat that, IMO, it's much harder to fight against it.

They're not even close to comparable. Worrying about privacy and then focusing on Big Tech is like trying to swat away a mosquito while you're being devoured alive by three bears.

A huge amount of government surveillance either depends on Big Tech contractors or explicitly leverages Big Tech's disregard for privacy. For example "geofence warrants" wouldn't be possible if Big Tech wasn't collecting and storing all that location data in the first place.
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