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Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by proto_lambda »

revskill wrote: post #42

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In principle I can agree that Rust (like so many things in tech) is a bit of a sausage fest, and that women can, in my experience, often be better leaders than men especially when it comes to emotional/communication matters like with this whole mess.

The wording "real woman" however immediately smells like an attempt to exclude trans women, of whom there are quite a few in the Rust community - even if that wasn't your intention at all, it might explain at least some of the downvotes though.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by phendrenad2 »

dralley wrote: post #41
rvz wrote: post #30

This is the reason why we cannot take the Rust community seriously with these tantrums. We have given them enough time to get a grip on this nonsense and instead they are embarrassing themselves with pantomimes like this. I had very high hopes on Rust, but it seems that they have to find another tiny first world issue to complain about and magnify it into a giant nothing. Admittedly, this whole saga is more entertain…

It is not as if the C++ standards committee, or Google (go) or Oracle (Java) are free from drama. It just tends to leak into public view less frequently.

I think that's the point. Drama in the C++ community is handled more professionally, in the Rust community it turns into temper tantrums.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by usrbinbash »

dralley wrote: post #41
rvz wrote: post #30

This is the reason why we cannot take the Rust community seriously with these tantrums. We have given them enough time to get a grip on this nonsense and instead they are embarrassing themselves with pantomimes like this. I had very high hopes on Rust, but it seems that they have to find another tiny first world issue to complain about and magnify it into a giant nothing. Admittedly, this whole saga is more entertain…

It is not as if the C++ standards committee, or Google (go) or Oracle (Java) are free from drama. It just tends to leak into public view less frequently.

C++ and Java are huge. Drama or no drama simply stops to matter at that size. These languages are here to stay.

Golang is also becoming rather big, although doesn't make a big deal out of it imho, as the community is barely ever evangelizing about it. And so far, the only actual drama I am aware of, was the telemetry stuff, and that resolved itself nicely.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by icelancer »

ra1231963 wrote: post #17
throwawaymaths wrote: post #6

> downgrade was not racially motivated, thankfully Who would have suspected this was racially motivated? Not to defend any actions by anyone, but a keynote is an unusual place to talk about experimental feature a language is considering (unless it's a small component of a bigger update/forecast). That said once the decision was made they should have gone through with it.

> who would have suspected this was racially motivated? For the last several years, there are many people and groups who have gotten tremendous positive feedback from being a victim. So, many people would jump to this conclusion for outrage, sympathy, and signaling their virtue. Thankfully, it seems it may be coming to an end now since it’s disruptive and at odds with reality.

> Thankfully, it seems it may be coming to an end now since it’s disruptive and at odds with reality.

I hope you are right. I'm less optimistic.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by hu3 »

stefanos82 wrote: post #66
jstx1 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait what have Go and Swift done?

For Go I presume the telemetry situation?

Didn't they change Go telemetry to be opt-in before the functionality was even released? So they heard their users. I would say that's a good thing.

edit: Yep, they announced their intentions and after consulting the community, they changed it to be opt-in instead. https://github.com/golang/go/issues/58894

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by meindnoch »

d3nj4l wrote: post #8

In a way, I find this entire saga incredibly funny. There is so much hand wringing and pearl clutching at something that is supposedly in the shadows - this cabal of four or five people making decisions - that it makes the entire Rust "community" look juvenile. This is the kind of internecine conflict I should see in Anime discord servers, not about a language whose governance involves multiple major corporations!

>This is the kind of internecine conflict I should see in Anime discord servers

Anime/furry culture has a significant overlap with the Rust community as far as I can tell as an outsider. E.g. there was that guy developing a Linux GPU driver for M1 Macs, narrating it with an anime "waifu" avatar and a speech plugin that makes you sound like a little girl from a Japanese cartoon.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by phendrenad2 »

shri_krishna wrote: post #11

> Part of me is very disappointed at ThePrimeagen, the Twitch streamer / YouTuber with whom I used to be friendly, for milking those controversies for every view and sub possible. For riling up the masses, adding fuel to the fire, creating the exact opposite of the climate we need to solve these issues. It is ridiculous that ThePrimeagen has been called out (without whom I wouldn't have taken interest in learning Rus…

Yes, calling out someone for reporting on drama, as though the drama isn't a problem, it's your fault for gawking at it, is a strange choice. I think it's not unrelated to the ego-centric nature of these Rust drama events.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by chippiewill »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #6

> downgrade was not racially motivated, thankfully Who would have suspected this was racially motivated? Not to defend any actions by anyone, but a keynote is an unusual place to talk about experimental feature a language is considering (unless it's a small component of a bigger update/forecast). That said once the decision was made they should have gone through with it.

It's not that unusual. Herb Sutter's 2022 CppCon keynote was on a prototype redesign of the C++ syntax/language.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by mort96 »

88joshgree wrote: post #78
mort96 wrote: post #14

> Part of me is very disappointed in the enormous waste of time that is the “crablang” fork, and wishes the people involved could have engaged in a constructive manner instead. Any group who decides to fork Rust probably isn't in a position of power to turn the whole Rust Project and Rust Foundation into something less messy. Without knowing any of the specifics about this "crablang" fork, creating a well-resourced,…

given the github repo says; "now with 100% less bureaucracy!" not sure they are trying to create a "well-resourced, thoughtfully governed fork"?

Maybe you're right, maybe a fork in and of itself could be productive but "crablang" specifically is a waste of time. I sort of interpreted the OP to be decrying the idea of a fork in general, but that might not have been the intention.
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