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Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by johannes1234321 »

elcomet wrote: post #76
jasode wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Facebook is a private network. You're getting sidetracked by the word "private" instead of looking at the contextual meaning of the conversation people are having: When grandparent poster (asim) wrote: >"and now people need to go back to something more real and private." asim meant "private"=="less-visible-more-intimate-group". You're talking about "private"=="walled-garden". The threeseed's reply of "So I think pub…

Public / private and walled garden are not what you are saying. I'm saying only your friends on Facebook will see your posts, so it is private, unlike twitter where the whole world will see them. And you can create groups if you want to have even more private discussions. Twitter, LinkedIn are walled gardens, but public ones. Facebook is a private walled garden.

Yes, but "friend" has quite a wide meaning on Facebook.

Compare it to a WhatsApp group: there one defines exactly the people who should see a given message. "Friends" becomes mixed between "true" friends, neighbors, colleagues, ... people you once we're closer with but passed ways to some degree, ... after a while it's semi-public at least unless you have a strict (un-)friending policy. For average users the visibility is also hard to understand.

Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by dbspin »

v4dok wrote: post #55

I want to offer a counterpoint to the current consensus in the comments from (my) real-world interactions. In many countries outside of US, Twitter is occupied by a minority audience which is usually in its own bubble. Instagram is much more popular especially in Millenials who are now in the age group where they start to be more politically active and less motivated by the "pure entertainement" side of the social me…

Instagram isn't used by most people to 'drive insane engagement'. It's a relaxing place to share pictures and memes - and one that fortunately avoids most of the political insanity which makes other social networks exhausting and polarising. I don't want less 'limited' conversations on instagram. Its a place I look at and post pictures from my life, memories, moments with friends.

Fuck engagement. Fuck the competitive scurrying for likes. Fuck Tiktok. Fuck 'the next' social network. I just want a place to post pictures for my friends and see theirs.

Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by expertentipp »

berkes wrote: post #63
asim wrote: post #18

Public networks are dead. We did it for two decades and now people need to go back to something more real and private. Social networks in the current form are just attention seeking. We've been trained to say things that will garner likes and retweets. I welcome text and chat, maybe even voice to text but not in the public form. Closed networks only now.

Facebook has such a network: WhatsApp. In the US apparently not that omnipresent, but it's everywhere in many countries. Facebook has the data, and knows exactly how such closed-networks are in demand, can (not) be monetized and what features are needed to make them grow. In e.g. The Netherlands anything from your neighborhood-watch to parents-info, or anything related to school, via business-groups, your bachelors p…

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Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by codingdave »

justapassenger wrote: post #47
asim wrote: post #18

Public networks are dead. We did it for two decades and now people need to go back to something more real and private. Social networks in the current form are just attention seeking. We've been trained to say things that will garner likes and retweets. I welcome text and chat, maybe even voice to text but not in the public form. Closed networks only now.

Aren’t hacker news comments public social network?

No, there are no features on HN that help us network, and I rarely, if ever, even look at what user posted a story or comment, so at least for me it is not social.

Just because it is user-generated content does not make it a "social network"

Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by brodo »

v4dok wrote: post #55

I want to offer a counterpoint to the current consensus in the comments from (my) real-world interactions. In many countries outside of US, Twitter is occupied by a minority audience which is usually in its own bubble. Instagram is much more popular especially in Millenials who are now in the age group where they start to be more politically active and less motivated by the "pure entertainement" side of the social me…

Same here. A lot of people I know don’t have twitter. Instagram on the other hand is widely popular in my age group. (30 somethings) Twitter has a bad reputation with a lot of people because of Elon Musk. Meta has that too, but Zuckerberg is just not such a hate figure for the average liberal here in Germany as Musk is. Political/activist Instagram is very much a thing (despite what people claim here) and that community will certainly try it, also for the mastodon integration. (there are big leftist mastodon instances in germany like chaos.social)

Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by shadowbanned__ »

ciex wrote: post #46
asim wrote: post #18

Public networks are dead. We did it for two decades and now people need to go back to something more real and private. Social networks in the current form are just attention seeking. We've been trained to say things that will garner likes and retweets. I welcome text and chat, maybe even voice to text but not in the public form. Closed networks only now.

Public networks are a lot more hostile than we realize while we have moderation armies at work. That may not be a sustainable model. I think the way forward is building the right tools to help communities self-manage. It will be more like Discord and less like Twitter.

Yep, the biggest problem with all public forums tends to be the moderators. This includes HN.

Step 1: create a walled garden by taking over parts of the internet.

Step 2: algorithmically shadowban everyone you don't like.

This leaves most people with no voice. The only acceptable things to say are what the moderators of like 3 popular forums agree with.

Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by burn_cycle »

avian wrote: post #31
edpichler wrote: post #16

> The decentralized app is built on the back of Instagram but will be compatible with some other apps like Mastodon. This can be interesting.

It's step 1) of the scenario outlined in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33545541

It doesn't even have to be this convoluted. They can just do what they did with email. Step one, wait until they have the vast majority of users, then due to spam/'problematic' content, algorithmically block the vast majority of other instances from interacting with theirs.

Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by paganel »

berkes wrote: post #63
asim wrote: post #18

Public networks are dead. We did it for two decades and now people need to go back to something more real and private. Social networks in the current form are just attention seeking. We've been trained to say things that will garner likes and retweets. I welcome text and chat, maybe even voice to text but not in the public form. Closed networks only now.

Facebook has such a network: WhatsApp. In the US apparently not that omnipresent, but it's everywhere in many countries. Facebook has the data, and knows exactly how such closed-networks are in demand, can (not) be monetized and what features are needed to make them grow. In e.g. The Netherlands anything from your neighborhood-watch to parents-info, or anything related to school, via business-groups, your bachelors p…

> watch to parents-info,

Most of the (sane) parents that I know hate those WhatsApp groups with a passion, but they unfortunately have to be there "because there's where the future of our kids gets decided" or some such, meaning where everything related to the kids' school or kindergarten is now discussed.

I agree though about the cultural influence of WhatsApp outside of the US, as what you described about it matches my experience about its use here in Romania.

Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by paganel »

aloisdg wrote: post #30
asim wrote: post #18

Public networks are dead. We did it for two decades and now people need to go back to something more real and private. Social networks in the current form are just attention seeking. We've been trained to say things that will garner likes and retweets. I welcome text and chat, maybe even voice to text but not in the public form. Closed networks only now.

reddit disagrees.

Reddit is becoming more and more dead as time progresses, I'd say its high-mark was the mid 2010s, until 2017-2018 or so.

Of course that its actual traffic might still increase for some time, but it has lost the (counter-)cultural ascendency that it used to have. That's what you get for hiring a former Atlantic Council member as your "policy director".

Re: Meta preps new social app

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Post by paganel »

v4dok wrote: post #55

I want to offer a counterpoint to the current consensus in the comments from (my) real-world interactions. In many countries outside of US, Twitter is occupied by a minority audience which is usually in its own bubble. Instagram is much more popular especially in Millenials who are now in the age group where they start to be more politically active and less motivated by the "pure entertainement" side of the social me…

> Pictures do not allow for proper discussion or easy discoverability of comments.

That has become an asset, people have grown tired of endless and pointless discussions.

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