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A rant on bus stops

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Re: A rant on bus stops

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Because homelessness. Because medical bankrupcy and opioid crisis. Caused by THE SAME industry. Nobody's responsible. Because USA is designed by and for small groups of people owning the companies providing for ridiculous money at insane conditions what everywhere else is cheap or free and well regulated.

I wonder what the cost of building cheap housing for the homeless would be. To house the entire homeless population. The negative externality of having them on the streets is probably far costlier for everyone, and it's downright embarrassing that we can't do more to help.

As I understand it, these folks want privacy, storage, pets, quick commutes to loved ones, and/or drugs/alcohol.

I think it'd be easy to offer privacy and storage. Let them have locks on their doors (that staff can open). Put cameras in the hallways. I think these things could be done affordably, especially if housing was built on cheap land.

Dogs might be possible and might help some of them recover. There would need to be a system to keep violet animals and maltreatment down, and sanitation would be important. Apart from that, animals help calm the mind. That's probably cheap to do too.

You'd need to feed and clothe everyone, but it needn't be expensive.

Transportation is expensive and should be offered in a limited basis. Non-profits probably already have this cornered, and you could do it at scale even cheaper.

The substance abuse problem I haven't the slightest idea on. You ideally want to get them to stop abusing, and most taxpayers would gag at the thought of providing homeless with the drugs of their choice as an incentive to get off the streets. Not sure how you compel the addicted to leave. Forcing them to leave would be illegal in most municipalities, and it feels a little wrong unless we have quantifiable data that it helps their outcomes.

And then there's the fact that each individual will fall into a range of mental health states. Some may be permanently disabled and in need of institutional housing (which I don't think we do anymore?)

It's a tough problem. Every nation has to deal with this, but some are clearly doing better.

I'm not well educated on this topic, so maybe I have the incorrect assumptions.

Re: A rant on bus stops

#83
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which industry are you talking about? The pharmaceutical industry is international. Many of the big players are headquartered in UK, Canada, etc. Hospitals are mostly non-profit, and mostly purely domestic.

Is the non-profit status of hospitals supposed to mean that they are not driven by the allure of ripping their patients off?

It’s complicated. Hospitals aren’t necessarily making big bucks.

They have insane expenses. There are lots investments that are recouped in the doctors office: paying for medical school, buying downtown real estate, decades of medical research, etc.

Nobody says “we have $50 million to invest, let’s build a hospital.” Although investors occasionally buy them.

I don’t think US hospitals are for profit in the sense they have shareholder demanding a return on investment.

Doctors who have the ability to make lots of cash usually break out on their own asap.

So there’s probably some profit seeking, but not a lot.

I know plenty of folks who work for non-profit hospitals, and it’s a total mess. But it it’s usually organization chaos, and not profit seeking.

But I’ve heard stories of venture capital firms buying and shutting down hospitals, but never building them.

Re: A rant on bus stops

#84
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Turkey is definitely not a high trust country. https://ourworldindata.org/trust

Those one-question surveys are often too simplistic, don't reflect people's real attitudes or behavior wrt trust.

Fair enough. I could not put a number on them, but I can confirm Middle Eastern countries are low trust. I do not think this is a controversial point.

Re: A rant on bus stops

#85

The US doesn't have a homeless problem, California has a homeless problem.

Here is the top 10 states with their estimated homeless population: California (171,521), New York (74,178), Florida (25,959), Washington (25,211), Texas (24,432), Oregon (17,959), Massachusetts (15,507), Arizona (13,553), Pennsylvania (12,691), Georgia (10,689)

In 2022, the U.S. homeless population was estimated to be over 577,000, according to the annual point-in-time count.

It looks extremely illogical to me that we cannot solve this problem for the 500,000 or so people in one of the richest countries. The only explanation I have is the sheer lack of political will and a sense of misplaced entitlement.

If you think there are hordes of homeless taking all over bay area, think again. There is only 171K in all of CA (out of 12 million people).

[0] Source : https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/states-with...

Re: A rant on bus stops

#86
post #17

The TL;DR here is that California has a housing crisis, which caused homelessness, which caused people to look into a bus stop design which doesn’t serve as a proper shelter. Here’s a data-driven argument that homelessness is a problem with lack of homes, more so than mental health or drugs or whatever else: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/everything-you-think-you-know-... Fixing housing will have a lot of great downst…

i bet homelessness arises from more reasons than a housing crisis, with drug addiction and mental illnesses examples.

I suspect it's mainly drug and alcohol addiction. Alcohol addiction isn't talked about as much as drug addiction, but it's just as bad, probably worse. Once you get your first few DUI's, you now have a record, you can't drive, and you have a much harder time finding meaningful work, much less getting there. Now you're depressed and you know what will make you feel better. Now you can't even hold a job because you're drunk all the time because you're depressed because you can't find meaningful work. I've seen it first hand, it's not pretty.

Re: A rant on bus stops

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post #81
post #6

Because homelessness. Because medical bankrupcy and opioid crisis. Caused by THE SAME industry. Nobody's responsible. Because USA is designed by and for small groups of people owning the companies providing for ridiculous money at insane conditions what everywhere else is cheap or free and well regulated.

I wonder what the cost of building cheap housing for the homeless would be. To house the entire homeless population. The negative externality of having them on the streets is probably far costlier for everyone, and it's downright embarrassing that we can't do more to help. As I understand it, these folks want privacy, storage, pets, quick commutes to loved ones, and/or drugs/alcohol. I think it'd be easy to offer pri…

It's also a violation of Article 25 ¶1 of the UN's declaration of human rights:

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Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

```

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

Re: A rant on bus stops

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post #17

The TL;DR here is that California has a housing crisis, which caused homelessness, which caused people to look into a bus stop design which doesn’t serve as a proper shelter. Here’s a data-driven argument that homelessness is a problem with lack of homes, more so than mental health or drugs or whatever else: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/everything-you-think-you-know-... Fixing housing will have a lot of great downst…

What’s with these “data-driven” nonsense posts? You live in a west coast city? Go outside! Use your eyeballs! You think the naked guy who’s floridly psychotic and taking a dump on the sidewalk would be A OK with a cheap dwelling? The people smoking fentanyl at the train station and on the buses? They just need a little house and they’ll be fine? Such utter neoliberal nonsense.

Well if they had houses they'd be naked and shitting in their house, if they had housing they'd be smoking fentanyl in their house. So at least y'all'd stop going on and fucking on about "open air drug markets" and "the city looks like something out of mad max". It might not solve their problems, but it would solve yours.

Re: A rant on bus stops

#90
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those one-question surveys are often too simplistic, don't reflect people's real attitudes or behavior wrt trust.

Fair enough. I could not put a number on them, but I can confirm Middle Eastern countries are low trust. I do not think this is a controversial point.

Yes, the surveys are far from useless either. But for example, I think China's high trust number is too reductive. From what I have heard (never been there)—violence/property crime are rare in China, you can maybe leave your door unlocked, people are polite, etc. But people worry about the doctor overcharging you, students cheating on exams, corruption in the government, etc.
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