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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by krapp »

proxiful-wash wrote: post #53
tiedieconderoga wrote: post #29

>The law specifies that no penalties apply to users of TikTok. But app store operators and TikTok itself could face fines of $10,000 per violation per day, with an individual violation defined as “each time that a user accesses TikTok, is offered the ability to access TikTok, or is offered the ability to download TikTok.” Sounds like a money-printing machine.

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No. Although I'm a Texan, it'll probably happen anyway if it hasn't already and my vote doesn't matter. I don't want the government deciding what software I'm allowed to use and what forms of speech and entertainment I'm allowed to expose myself to.

And I notice none of these conservatives are talking about banning Twitter anymore - which is far more psychologically manipulative than TikTok - now that one of their own has taken it over to push as much right-wing propaganda on it as possible, just to hassle the "woke hivemind."

I'm fine with app stores making the decision on their own but I prefer to not throw the entire framework of free speech out the window just because stoking fear of the "red menace" still works in the US.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by krapp »

nicenewtemp84 wrote: post #49
cute_boi wrote: post #16

What happened to freedom of speech. I thought many politician, especially republicans cry for free speech.

I don't think freedom of speech applies to foreign companies.

Freedom of speech is recognized as a universal human right throughout the world, and American political philosophy considers many rights mentioned in the Constitution as applying universally as well.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by aaomidi »

nicenewtemp84 wrote: post #49
cute_boi wrote: post #16

What happened to freedom of speech. I thought many politician, especially republicans cry for free speech.

I don't think freedom of speech applies to foreign companies.

It’s easy to argue this is restricting free speech for the American based users.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by falcolas »

My only consolation in this shitstorm is that it's been expanded to include "all social media applications that collect and provide users' personal information or data to a foreign adversary, or a person or entity located within a country designated as a foreign adversary."

So, yeah. I guess it's time to shut 'em all down.

Now we just wait for the "I didn't mean American companies" retraction.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by jameshart »

The actual legislation: https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billpdf/SB0419.pdf

Seems facially unconstitutional. Will maybe force a proper court decision on whether the Bills of Attainder clause applies to corporations.

Why are legislators so focused on banning TikTok, rather than regulating whatever it is that TikTok does that they don't like?

Don't like data about your constituents being in the possession of a company with ownership ties to the Chinese government or communist party? Do the work to describe what kind of 'ties' are the ones that worry you, what kind of entities are the ones you don't like, what kind of data you don't like being in their hands, and write a law that codifies that.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by edgyquant »

jameshart wrote: post #88

The actual legislation: https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billpdf/SB0419.pdf Seems facially unconstitutional. Will maybe force a proper court decision on whether the Bills of Attainder clause applies to corporations. Why are legislators so focused on banning TikTok, rather than regulating whatever it is that TikTok does that they don't like? Don't like data about your constituents being in the possession of a company wit…

Countries have the right to ban foreign adversaries. US companies are a different problem with different solutions.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by markdeloura »

jameshart wrote: post #88

The actual legislation: https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billpdf/SB0419.pdf Seems facially unconstitutional. Will maybe force a proper court decision on whether the Bills of Attainder clause applies to corporations. Why are legislators so focused on banning TikTok, rather than regulating whatever it is that TikTok does that they don't like? Don't like data about your constituents being in the possession of a company wit…

Agreed! But it's always so much easier to ban and get credit for "protecting Americans" than do the work and build a solid base for the future. We should hold our politicians to a higher standard.
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