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Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Scraping stolen goods for parts doesn't happen because it can be done. It is viable because manufacturers make access to spare parts artificially difficult or expensive. Locking a device to serial is adding insult to injury when companies like Apple decide to campaign against Right to Repair. It must be said that Apple made strides towards making repairing phones easier, but as long as counterfeit or stolen parts rem…

> but as long as counterfeit or stolen parts remain economically viable, this kind of market will exist. The point of serialization is precisely to make stolen parts unviable economically, so you’ve painted yourself into a bit of a corner there. > It is viable because manufacturers make access to spare parts artificially difficult or expensive. After paying a shop to repair an iPhone with a generic screen, I believe…

> The point of serialization is precisely to make stolen parts unviable economically, so you’ve painted yourself into a bit of a corner there.

Assuming this kind of lock is unbreakable and all the parts in the phone are locked, you mean, which is a big assumption in the long run. A side effect is that you can't reuse parts from a bricked phone in another, which increases waste without actually addressing the problem which is access to spare parts.

> I believe genuine parts cost more because they are better, not due to artificial scarcity

Price is not the only restriction, but also the number of parts you can order, having to send back the damaged one (which prevents stocking on spare parts for the future) and the exclusion of third party repair shops. In any case I acknowledged that what apple did is indeed a good step, but the repair system can be improved.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scraping stolen goods for parts doesn't happen because it can be done. It is viable because manufacturers make access to spare parts artificially difficult or expensive. Locking a device to serial is adding insult to injury when companies like Apple decide to campaign against Right to Repair. It must be said that Apple made strides towards making repairing phones easier, but as long as counterfeit or stolen parts rem…

> but as long as counterfeit or stolen parts remain economically viable, this kind of market will exist. The point of serialization is precisely to make stolen parts unviable economically, so you’ve painted yourself into a bit of a corner there. > It is viable because manufacturers make access to spare parts artificially difficult or expensive. After paying a shop to repair an iPhone with a generic screen, I believe…

> The point of serialization is precisely to make stolen parts unviable economically, so you’ve painted yourself into a bit of a corner there.

If every single spare-part can also be ordered new and the sum of usable components from a stolen iPhone totals to ~60USD (excluding the mainboard because it is marked as stolen and fused), it's no longer economically viable to steal an iPhone, send it to another country, disassemble it for parts, test the parts and resell them.

As of today, some parts cannot be purchased by third parties at all, so grey-market sourcing is a viable economy.

> After paying a shop to repair an iPhone with a generic screen, I believe genuine parts cost more because they are better, not due to artificial scarcity. Not only were the colors off, the battery life was less with the new screen.

In the pre-Apple world this was already solved: Manufacturers printed their logo on the spare-part, so buyers knew when they get a genuine part or not. 3rd parties are still allowed to produce parts, but faking the logo qualifies as counterfeit --> If you want an original part, ask for an original part and pay the premium

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

#83

Hypothetically speaking, if one had substantial data obtained through an atypical usage method that backed the hypothesis a manufacturer “soured the milk” on a widely used technology to pave the way for its removal, what would one do with such information, provided one desired to avoid imperial entanglements?

Reading this comment gave me a headache.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Sorry to the Renault folks - I was just trying to highlight an egregious bit of whataboutism. I failed!

In this case I don't think the OP was attempting to use whataboutism for the purposes of distracting away from Apple, or explaining away Apple's behavior. It was more of a "and-also-whataboutism" to bring Renault under the same scrutiny.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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If you find that attack vector so scary, I'm sorry to inform you that it is already possible to prop up an iphone against a pizza box and have it stare at a screen showing a feed of pictures. Admittedly you might have to put the iphone on its side so you can get the charging cable in there, which means you might have to figure out how to rotate the pictures too.

FaceID uses 3D data as well. You can’t unlock it with just a 2D image of a face.

That's a good objection, go tell it to the guy I'm sarcastically replying to instead because it is they that are worried, not me.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Such considerations must incorporate public safety/crime considerations as well. Smartphones are often the most expensive thing we have on our person and became a huge target for thieves. Locking/bricking went a long way towards reducing this, and then limiting the value of resale parts did again.

If the device becomes unusable because it is marked as stolen, disassembling it for parts should not be economic.

One way to do this is spend MORE money to make sure every single part of the device is waste and MUST go to a landfill.

Another way would be to do the opposite, and make the spare-parts readily available for everyone to make the sum of parts less valuable. The mainboard is already unusable because it's flagged as stolen, the rest of the parts should not be worth more than 60-70USD. But because some of the parts cannot be purchased at all, they are currently worth alot more

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

#87

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When the camera fails you don't exactly have many options because you can't really order the official parts. Why would the camera be of consequence, though? Isn't authentication data stored in the proprietary TPM thing Apple includes in their devices?

> Why would the camera be of consequence, though? Insisting on approved camera avoids making it easier for bad actors to stealthily capture's a victim's biometrics and then use a third party "camera" to replay that information and unlock the victim's phone without them being present.

Pretty sure the state of the art is just sending a text with a zero click exploit, not mucking about with hardware.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Apple has by far the longest support for older devices in the industry. 1 phone that’s not thrown away is 1000s of parts saved.

And how many phones+tablets are throw away due to the inevitable expiry of glued-in non-user-replaceable batteries?

You're right.

They should trade them in to Apple, who have one of the best recycling programs amongst hardware vendors. ;P

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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One straightforward idea: Once the phone is unlocked (e.g. by pin code) allow the user to authorize the new hardware. I don't think most users are capable of auditing their generic hardware to be sure it is free of backdoors.

It's sad that that's not up to the user. maybe paternalistic comprising is what Apple's customers really want, but I'm convinced it's bad for the user and bad for society in the long run.

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Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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What a shitty company. Time and time again they shaft consumers yet people buy into the ecosystem. Marketing works unfortunately.

Perhaps, but their policies and support for old hardware far exceeds anything you see in the Android world. But you point out THIS "shitty company" while not throwing your gaze towards all the other "shitty companies" like Samsung, or Google, or Sony, or Microsoft. Could it be that your disdain for the type of people that buy Apple products just rings through? The tried and true "them" vs "me" attitude. Personally, I…

The entire point is that yes, all of them are doing it and Apple isn't this golden savior among them that some make them out to be. They trump everyone else in certain aspects like longevity of software updates and privacy, doesn't mean they don't partake in costumer-hostile actions nor does it mean we should excuse those.
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