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Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

Why, oh why have you gone with the terrible "bar-style" arrow keys instead of t-shaped? Apple similarly made this mistake, and thankfully recanted. It was so miserable to use bar-style arrow keys that I've officially sworn off of any keyboard (or any machine with a keyboard) that has them.

very good point ... I'd question the entire design process based only on this flaw

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

Have you considered the option of allowing purchase without some components, e.g. storage? Plenty of people buying a new laptop already have an SSD.

Their "DIY Edition" (vs "Pre-built") allows this: the laptop comes without memory and storage installed, and you either install your own or install separately packaged parts that you ordered at the same time during the configuration process.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

Any plans on FOSS stuff? Option to ship with some linux distro, dedicated linux support, maybe even libreboot or coreboot?

Currently we offer the DIY Edition without an OS installed and have setup guides and community support for popular distros, along with technical support for Ubuntu LTS and Fedora. Our embedded controller firmware is open source, and we’ve opened sourced CAD and documentation for many of the hardware modules.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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As a counterpoint, I love that they're subtle. I don't want big things glaring out at me. (But when they're disabled, there is an orange section. If you don't know that it's possible, as your family probably doesn't, you won't think anything of it, but it's easy to see at a glance the status.)

Orange for "warning, you're safe" instead of "warning, you're on camera"? I've had mine for over 2 years and 2 mbs and never really noticed. I never use the webcam. I agree though, I would rather it be invisible unless I look specifically. Just the meaning when I DO look should be obvious, and orange for inactive is not obvious or natural to me except in maybe parachutes.

11th gen owner here. Yeah I found this confusing as well, but probably the least annoying thing that has bothered me on a laptop.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Will you ever stop iterating on the chassis and focus purely on the replaceable components? Seems to me that a reparable/upgradable laptop doesn't matter if you keep changing the chassis such that in order to enjoy new features you need an entirely new laptop every iteration. It also feels to me, as an 11th gen owner, that I've been left behind with my power and sound issues. Which is basically the same boat as any l…

I'm in the same boat. Though, I think about it differently; the fact that I can print a case and use the mobo as a headless server is a differentiator for me. I also don't know if it's possible to design an attractive functional chassis that doesn't need iterating. That being said I'd like to see a recycling program, or some way to reduce the environmental impact from upgrades.

eBay: The failed motherboards for instance will probably find new life from people selling their broken boards for $75, then component level repair shops can use the schematics to fix and then resell for $300+.

People do this with macbooks "logic boards" without access to schematics and now with framework, the barrier of entry is even lower.

Framework is doing something that goes back a long time, people like the parts swap capability (Long term car platforms for instance, created fanatics that became brand ambassadors and love to use this medium as an outlet to show off their ingenuity).

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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I'm having the worst time hunting down a Cooler Master Mainboard Case ... seems like y'all have not had these in stock the numerous times I've checked, today even, https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case . Any inside info for us from Cooler Master on supply or ETA on stock from your sales page? I've tried direct with Cooler Master. The online store has 3 pages of cases, https://store.coolermaster.com…

What has somewhere like Shapeways.com quoted you to print it?

Had some trouble with that route ... https://www.printables.com/model/176903-framework-pc-mainboa... doesn't mention mm / cm scale so guessing mm? How many pins per build?

Attempting quotes; I skipped shapeways, requiring an account to see a quote was it.

Hubs.com was around 159$ before shipping and has errors on the connector pin integrity. I suspect they are upsizing me to a higher end material, with HP PA 12... difficult to toggle choices and get the price down.

Craftcloud3d.com quoted me $28.58 and just about 17$ in shipping for PLA type, looks like their cheapest options before I consider how many pins I need to add. I can't tell if I need a minimum temp for these case materials, any guidance or is PLA fine? Seems about 5-10$ more expensive than CM mainboard case is expected to be.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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The Verge has to have some of the worst reviews on the entire internet. All they ever talk about is subjective stuff like how the product "Looks" and "Feels" and are seemingly incapable of doing any actual work to provide things like benchmarks, comparisons, charts, graphs, etc. Just more of the same low effort, low quality garbage reporting as usual from the Verge. Like how do you do an entire review and not have a…

Honestly from my experience laptop benchmarks are easily gamed and often useless. I'm way more interested in this kind of subjective review.
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