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Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

#81

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Those two things aren't related. This was during a Republican FCC adminstration and Ajit Pai would've repealed net neutrality even if every comment was for it. He doesn't care what public comments say nor does he need to. That not mattering was then canceled out by another not mattering, because California passed the same rules so they effectively apply to everyone anyway.

It's also about public sentiment towards the companies and their interests. Comcast, for example, as a long history of trying to silence its critics[1][2]. They want to make their critics look like a minority or as if they don't exist at all, especially when much of the criticism is grassroots and organic from actual telecom customers who are often stuck with a monopoly's service. [1] https://www.salon.com/2008/06/09…

Doesn't seem like it mattered here. Everyone noticed at the time, it didn't matter (because Ajit Pai doesn't care what you think), and there was no harm (because California doesn't care what /he/ thinks.)

Comcast has been losing lately as more places have been repealing their municipal internet utility bans IIRC.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

#82
post #53

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If an individual committed fraud by impersonating millions of people, they'd be in prison.

It seems the thing to do, before you dump toxic chemicals into the water or whatever, is to open a corporation. "Mistakes were made", after all. This is only trumped by by sovereign immunity, for starting wars or oil spills or releasing viruses or whatever. "Bush is gone, let's move on - why are you still on that?" State Power is great isn't it?

Don't forget absolute immunity for bad prosecutors and qualified immunity for bad cops!

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

#86
post #52

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Well, those are the rules. That's how capitalism works.

This isn't a meaningful tautology. "The system is unjust because it is unjust and therefore must always be unjust." We can and should improve society.

Yeah, but the other poster was probably being sarcastic and just frustrated in a tone that is hard to describe in plain text.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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My problem with Net Neutrality is what is its the "wrong way" to deal with a pesky problem: entrenched local monopolies.

Net Neutrality is "oking" monopolistic behavior, under a narrow set of stipulations. I don't trust Comcast any farther than I could throw their CEO.

I just don't see this ending well. I think the alternatives: expanding access, increasing competition, improving technology and promoting innovation, busting oligopolies at the state and municipal level is the way to go.

This is my opinion, so feel free to disagree. There are definite upsides to net neutrality right now for "here and now" problems, but it's not a good long term solution IMHO.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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post #27

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Simply put: limited liability, lobbying (political donations) and general ignorance of the subject matter by a majority of the population.

Limited liability only protects the "owners", not the employees, including the board. So while piercing the LLC veil seems unreasonably hard, putting every individual involved in jail seems not unreasonable.

Yet reality defies your "reasonable" expectations.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

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post #6

"An investigation by the Office of the Attorney General (OAG) found that the fake comments used the identities of millions of consumers, including thousands of New Yorkers, without their knowledge or consent." $615k seems like a slap on the wrist for what they did.

$615k... feck. More like a gentle caress.

Re: Three Companies Impersonated Millions to Influence Internet Policy

#90
post #11

This kind of shit is one of the reasons why people stop believing in western democracy.

Net Neutrality was one of the handful of things I wrote my representatives about. I knew it was going to be mostly fruitless, but goddamn this is disgusting.
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