EU is going to legislate itself to irrelevance, missing another tech train that could propel its future. AI ethics won't make money.
The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably
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Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably
#82I quite frankly don’t care what EU does. They’ve not been innovating at all there. They took a bunch of Chinese money and now they’re doing everything they can to harm US tech firms…while the US is de facto defending them with own tax money in Ukraine. I cannot wait for EUZ to fail.
If those poor, under-priviledged US tech just a helping hand in defending themselves against those evil, democratic governments... Communism it is! /s
On a more serious note, you are aware of the fact that a lot of the material and money Ukraine is gettong comes from European NATO countries and the EU? It is almost like an, whats the word again, alliance supporting Ukraine instead of a single country.
Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the current climate, and generally, you should distrust your government on a systematic level, and take pride in doing so. They certainly distrust you.
That sentiment doesn't really bother me. Most of the "current climate" exists within these screens. Just so we are clear, I am against this premature neutering of technology.
Most of the law restricts or prohibits mundane abuses of ML that have already happened, and calls for people developing and deploying AI to attest they are doing their due diligence.
Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably
#84The people writing these regulations don't know what the problems of the future are. The problems of the present are tricky because every problem has a constituency (if it didn't it wouldn't be a problem.). The EU is trying to get around this by acting quickly before constituencies can develop. This will make no one happy - it's like my wife telling me that a car's going to hit me if I walk out the front door so she'…
Did you actually read the proposed text of the AI act? I certainly want more oversight over a medical startup or airplane manufacturer doing AI in the essential system components than otherwise. I think adding a high-risk category is a brilliant move.
> Did you actually read the proposed text of the AI act?
Are these 140 pages [1] the proposed text?
[1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2014_2019/plmrep/COM...
Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably
#85There’s a reason why Google didn’t release Bard to EU yesterday, expect that to happen more and more as they fall further and further behind.
Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably
#86In general I find the EU AI act quite reasonable. There are a couple AI uses that will be prohibited (most mentioned by the article, mostly manipulating people or dystopian government stuff). But imho the meat of the act is in categorizing many use cases as "High Risk", which comes with a list of requirements. Things like putting some effort in thinking about risks, into your training data, understanding biases, havi…
The effect is going to be that all the innovation happens elsewhere, big AI companies will develop outside Europe. And Europeans will only get to benefit as consumers, not as makers of AI. And the EU will take that as a reason to regulate even harder and then also somehow end up giving a bunch of money to its telcos. EDIT: My point is that regulation doesn’t just prevent “bad products”. The compliance overhead also p…
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Do you think there’s some kind of karmic point scoring system that you win by being the first one to build horrible unethical dystopian AI models?
Or are you just complaining you won’t be able to horrifically exploit people using them to make lots of money?
…because, sure, red tape is bad, but is it ultimately that terrible not being a allowed to be super villain?
“But America has super villains! …! We’re being left behind…”
Ok… um. Yeah… I’m ok with that. Please don’t try to be a super villain.
These laws don’t seem nearly as outrageous as you make them out to be.
Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably
#87In theory I probably do agree with the bill as presented in the article, there are 2 reservations that should be bought up. Firstly, the EU has a history of crippling their native tech industry to the general detriment of the EU. It is quite possible that this will end up being one more nail in the coffin. Secondly, they're fighting economics on this one. AI seems to be cheap and accessible. In practice controlling t…
The EU is more in line with China on this one, I'm all for letting other societies try this cultural nuclear weapon on themselves first. See what sticks. I feel that's the way things have been going culturally/economically in France/Germany: Look at the world (usually the US but now also China more), see what is useful/competitive, adopt it in moderation. So this stance is extremely in line with the usual approach, i…
France's industrial might is going down quickly and Germany without cheap resources is losing against China that copied most of its tech. Moreover, China is already outcompeting US in the AI albeit focusing on population control models. EU will become an open air museum for rich travellers.
Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
The effect is going to be that all the innovation happens elsewhere, big AI companies will develop outside Europe. And Europeans will only get to benefit as consumers, not as makers of AI. And the EU will take that as a reason to regulate even harder and then also somehow end up giving a bunch of money to its telcos. EDIT: My point is that regulation doesn’t just prevent “bad products”. The compliance overhead also p…
I am pretty sure that regardless of where you are if you sell a product in the eu that violates eu law you will be fined. Furthermore you may be banned from selling in the eu all together. Meaning legit ai companies in the eu will flourish while ai companies not following the rules will miss out on the richest market. So in effect the eu is protecting it’s citizens work from theft and companies from unethical competi…
Big companies can afford regulations. They will do just fine with writing all the compliance documents
But Small companies can’t afford the compliance overhead.
And big companies can only develop out of small companies.
So they will develop elsewhere
Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably
#89In general I find the EU AI act quite reasonable. There are a couple AI uses that will be prohibited (most mentioned by the article, mostly manipulating people or dystopian government stuff). But imho the meat of the act is in categorizing many use cases as "High Risk", which comes with a list of requirements. Things like putting some effort in thinking about risks, into your training data, understanding biases, havi…
The effect is going to be that all the innovation happens elsewhere, big AI companies will develop outside Europe. And Europeans will only get to benefit as consumers, not as makers of AI. And the EU will take that as a reason to regulate even harder and then also somehow end up giving a bunch of money to its telcos. EDIT: My point is that regulation doesn’t just prevent “bad products”. The compliance overhead also p…
Would you say the same things about FDA regulations?
As a programmer who used to work on medical devices, these sound pretty similar like the FDA regulations we dealt with. The goal isn't to stifle innovation, it's to keep scammers and crooks out of the market and make things better for everyone. The EU doesn't want another Thalidomide, and the US shouldn't want another Theranos.
Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
The effect is going to be that all the innovation happens elsewhere, big AI companies will develop outside Europe. And Europeans will only get to benefit as consumers, not as makers of AI. And the EU will take that as a reason to regulate even harder and then also somehow end up giving a bunch of money to its telcos. EDIT: My point is that regulation doesn’t just prevent “bad products”. The compliance overhead also p…
> The effect is going to be that all the innovation happens elsewhere, big AI companies will develop outside Europe. Why though? Like, most of the requirements listed in the AI act seem extremely reasonable and low-overhead, if not seriously meek. Given the immense budgets AI labs can call upon, why would "having to fill a form that says you made sure the AI wasn't racist" be a disqualifying factor?
Let’s see how much effort the compliance is. Just having to know about it is a burden for a small startup.