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Why the Ferrari F355 sounds so good

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Re: Why the Ferrari F355 sounds so good

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> And, as anyone who ever had to drive a car with a broken exhaust muffler can say, it's also nothing special... Loud isn't the goal, the tone is. The Lexus LFA is a perfect example of this[1]. It's not extremely loud for a car of that caliber, but it's lauded as one of the best sounding cars ever made. Poorly designed exhaust (or no exhaust in the case of your broken muffler) on an otherwise great sounding engine al…

> Loud isn't the goal, the tone is. I wish this was actually the case in practice. There s definitely something special and musical about some ice engines, a true sensual experience. But then in practice, people who actually value that (as in, pay money), their cars just ends up being loud and obnoxious. So where are they, all these quiet, beautifully aurally tuned cars (emphasis on quiet)? Not everybody is driving t…

> But then in practice, people who actually value that (as in, pay money), their cars just ends up being loud and obnoxious.

It's the other way around: There are plenty of cars that sound beautiful unmodified, and aren't unreasonably loud, but they tend to be the most expensive cars on the market.

So people often modify their cars to sound different, but getting a refined sound that way costs a lot of money. The cheapest modifications make the car sound terrible, so you're more likely to notice the cheap poorly modified cars than anything.

At the end of the day considerate people are going to drive any car quietly in a quiet setting. Inconsiderate people will start their car up in track mode at the crack of dawn on a Sunday morning and leave it to warn up for 20 minutes, and bounce of the rev-limiter going around town.

Re: Why the Ferrari F355 sounds so good

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hi, im a professional diesel engine mechanic and can easily explain what youre hearing. Most italian/european sports cars (with the exception of Mercedes in the past 3 years because American customers) have machined their crankshafts as "flatplane" cranks. Flat-plane cranks, no matter what firing order they have, will always alternate from bank to bank. This yields optimum exhaust scavenging and thus doesn't require…

Yes, a crossplane V8 with Flowmasters is probably one of the most unmistakably American sounds. I find the high-revving import sound far less enjoyable; it's smoother but the high pitch is fatiguing. On the other hand, I also like the sound of two-stroke diesels.

I live in the US and have the same preference as far as cars go, but I literally cried happy man tears the day that I got my four-cylinder Honda bike (with a flat-plane crank) and listened to it as I wound it out in first gear. There's definitely room in this wonderful world for both :-)

Re: Why the Ferrari F355 sounds so good

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For context, here's what it sounds like: https://youtu.be/MCCYMys6aDw?t=890 (14:50 in case the time link doesn't work.) And from the video embedded at the end of the article: https://youtu.be/zUU0aW3yyMc?t=32 (32 seconds in.) Meanwhile, here's the Ford GT40: https://youtu.be/KJJ0nIbn_Ts?t=120 This is a replica GT40 with a modern Ford 5.0 Coyote V8: https://youtu.be/6g3Ay83JLJE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Modul…

Last year, I was driving through the mountains, behind a motorcycle that sounded so good I had constant goosebumps from it. The sound of it echoing between the mountains, slowing down, accelerating for like 30 minutes was such a special experience. When I was behind it, I didn't know what it was, but I had to find out. When we came to a village, we both stopped at the same traffic light, next to each other, so I coul…

I'm seriously contemplating a Tuono V4 (the naked, more upright version) as my next bike in a few years... I just wish that they made it in the same obnoxious Acid Gold finish as they do the 660 because I'm a sucker for loud colors.

Re: Why the Ferrari F355 sounds so good

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Last year, I was driving through the mountains, behind a motorcycle that sounded so good I had constant goosebumps from it. The sound of it echoing between the mountains, slowing down, accelerating for like 30 minutes was such a special experience. When I was behind it, I didn't know what it was, but I had to find out. When we came to a village, we both stopped at the same traffic light, next to each other, so I coul…

> The sound of it echoing between the mountains And sadly, annoying thousands of people during its trip

Waking babies, causing anxiety attacks, generally disturbing the peace for many many people all so a single person can go vroom.

I almost entirely always say we should err on the side of more personal freedom, but loud motorcycles need to be completely banned.

Re: Why the Ferrari F355 sounds so good

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I found this video to be an excellent explainer on the differences between cross and flat plane cranks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcyMoZoqkPA It additionally talks about the unusual pattern used in modern voodoo engines in the Ford Mustang (which is also mentioned in the article). The video is very similar to this article.

That's an excellent video and helped me understand a lot. Another great video is this one from a guy who created Engine Simulator which not only simulates the physics but the sound of engines as well. In this video he covers the difference between flat and cross plane engines: https://youtu.be/NBBwva3NZ6o

The engine simulator was discussed on HN too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32423102

Re: Why the Ferrari F355 sounds so good

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This reminds me of a fun little experience on a production shoot. The producer had hired a company that specializes in recording the sound of a car. This wasn't just the sounds of the engine running or driving, but the sounds of the car handle from outside and inside, the sound of the door opening/closing again inside/outside. Apply this to every aspect of the car. Pedals, shifters, ignition switches/buttons, trunks,…

Is the final recording available online anywhere?

Re: Why the Ferrari F355 sounds so good

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Funny, because it doesn't sound good to me really. I prefer more of a rumble (like that from my Subaru's flat boxer engine) than a drone sound like the Ferraris.

Subaru's exhaust note is the textbook definition of drone. To the point that people are sticking steel wool in their stock exhausts: https://www.subaruforester.org/threads/2014-stock-wrx-exhaus... I get exhaust notes are subjective, but I've found Subaru owners are the only people who appreciate Subaru exhaust notes, and at which point it starts to feel a bit like a sunk cost thing.

I expect I'd be annoyed by that sound too if I drove the WRX but I don't. I drive a Forester and don't hear any exhaust note - just the rumble from the engine up front.

Re: Why the Ferrari F355 sounds so good

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So why do most Americans hate or at least dislike electric cars then? Which does the same, even more so?

Who says Americans hate electric cars? Teslas are selling quite well here. But you have to realize America is enormous--its over 2600 miles to drive end to end. Our highway system and infrastructure isn't setup to completely replace gas or diesel with electric for long term trips. It's getting much better, but I suspect reluctance to get an electric car in the US primarily comes down to cost and range anxiety.

Teslas have great acceleration too!

Re: Why the Ferrari F355 sounds so good

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> The sound of it echoing between the mountains And sadly, annoying thousands of people during its trip

Waking babies, causing anxiety attacks, generally disturbing the peace for many many people all so a single person can go vroom. I almost entirely always say we should err on the side of more personal freedom, but loud motorcycles need to be completely banned.

>loud motorcycles need to be completely banned

Agree 1,000%.

Re: Why the Ferrari F355 sounds so good

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hi, im a professional diesel engine mechanic and can easily explain what youre hearing. Most italian/european sports cars (with the exception of Mercedes in the past 3 years because American customers) have machined their crankshafts as "flatplane" cranks. Flat-plane cranks, no matter what firing order they have, will always alternate from bank to bank. This yields optimum exhaust scavenging and thus doesn't require…

There's this youtube channel (William Moser) that makes different firing-order engine sound simulations using an analog circuit of some kind

crossplane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpswVBOC8lk

flatplane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r7X9L8_pS4

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