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Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by zamnos »

soup10 wrote: post #32
taywrobel wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real risk of AI actually is related to that, IMO. Vinod Khosla estimated in an event a few weeks ago that 80% of human jobs will be automated in the next 10-20 years. We’re going to be living in an era of extreme abundance, which in theory could lead to an absolute human utopia. The reality is that our society as it is currently run requires everyone to work in some capacity to earn a living. We’re about to hit a…

The automation revolution has been "just around the corner" forever. Still hasn't happened, some jobs are lost, some jobs are created, some are displaced, the welfare safety net gets a little bigger.

The history of Humanity, from the Industrial Revolution to present, in just one sentence. Still, don't you think you might have missed a few details while summarizing what has happened over those centuries?

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by laweijfmvo »

cwkoss wrote: post #43

If Biden tries to restrict the public's access to AI, might be one of the few things he could do that would make me consider voting republican.

What makes you think the Republican candidate wouldn't do the same thing? I don't think we've really seen this become a campaign issue yet, if it ever will (for 2024.)

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by AmericanChopper »

pc86 wrote: post #68
AmericanChopper wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1A makes regulating software basically impossible. I can’t imagine what additionally regulation they think they’re going to implement that will survive the judiciary. The only legal barrier I can see that could influence these AI services is that that their output is obviously not shielded from liability by Section 230. But that will play out in the civil courts, if at all. I’d say the more likely outcome is the far…

Software is not speech.

The judiciary disagrees.

> One of EFF's first major legal victories was Bernstein v. Department of Justice, a landmark case that resulted in establishing code as speech

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/04/remembering-case-estab...

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by DiscourseFan »

visarga wrote: post #62
zamnos wrote: post #42

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By who? The philosophy students are busting a gut at the laughable job we computer scientists are doing, redefining "thinking" and "consciousnesses" from first principles on every HN thread about GPT, as if parts of humanity haven't been pondering and writing books and books about those very questions for centuries, if not millenia. How many GPTs can fit on the head of a pin?

> as if parts of humanity haven't been pondering and writing books and books about those very questions for centuries, if not millenia They have, but unfortunately missed the mark badly with dualism and more recently computational and representational approaches. I am pinning my hopes on 5E's: embodied, embedded, extended, and enacted cognition - this is the closest to reinforcement learning. In my opinion RL is how…

An AI generated text is not remarkably different from one which a large corporation crafted through a large, collective work with a multitude of actors to elicit a particular reaction from a tested audience. This process used to be expensive and time consuming, now a robot can do it. Does that mean the robot is conscious? No. The AI does not feel pain and pleasure, it does not reproduce, it does not have repressed desires, like humans do. It is a vast, symbolic chain, a structure, not unlike many other structures humans have built, that appear to stand alone until you realize that they would not function without human hands and human maintenance.

If programmers manage to create new lifeforms then I will eat my words, but programmers only know about that aspect of human life that perverts biological reproduction: the social, cultural layer, the order of logic and language.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by hospitalJail »

DethNinja wrote: post #54
jjoonathan wrote: post #34

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Genuine question: how should we fight LLM astroturfing?

How do you propose we fight government/corporate astroturfing? At least LLMs will democratize the astroturfing.

From what I've seen on reddit/here, companies buy old accounts. This costs too much for the average person.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by surgical_fire »

jonhohle wrote: post #75
Mistletoe wrote: post #27

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Why are regulations bad? When there are no regulations the results are usually not pretty. Current big tech dystopia, stock market crash of 1929, UK textile mills worked by children in the Industrial Revolution... Why should we expect AI to not repeat the same abuses and errors?

Unintended consequences. Power surrendered by the people is not easily recovered.

This presumes that without regulations the people have the power.

In truth, without regulation, the power is at the hands of the ultra wealthy corporations and their overlords. Petty tyrants in the making, all of them.

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Post by MilStdJunkie »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #15
hospitalJail wrote: post #3

> "expectation that companies like yours must make sure their products are safe before making them available to the public." Lets make a guess, they are going to say its dangerous and we need regulation to prevent competitio---terorrism. Here is what you need to do instead, get some smart people from various agencies that are trustworthy, have them use the openAI playground and see what can be accomplished. Then show…

1A makes regulating software basically impossible. I can’t imagine what additionally regulation they think they’re going to implement that will survive the judiciary. The only legal barrier I can see that could influence these AI services is that that their output is obviously not shielded from liability by Section 230. But that will play out in the civil courts, if at all. I’d say the more likely outcome is the far…

I'm pretty sure that's not accurate, at least for cryptography, GPS, and some industrial control software (a few special LabView plugins, from my own personal experience). I mean, the actual enforcement, I agree with you, it's theatre. But if you get caught getting on a plane with it without your paperwork. . hoo boy. That ain't good. Bring extra kneepads and learn to relax your throat muscles.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by kypro »

kvathupo wrote: post #23

Considering Anthropic and Open AI will be there, I think the right players are at the table. I would've liked to have seen Meta there since I think they're focused on generative deep learning. That said, with the administration's AI Bill of Rights top of mind, I don't have faith in the gerontocracy to regulate this sector [1]. As a jocular aside, I wonder if Chat GPT could be used to write these articles? The second…

All are misaligned and have their own interests to push. Perhaps that's unavoidable, but I can tell you what their positions will be now.

This is like having a meeting about the risk of climate change with Greta Thunberg on one side and Exxon and Shell on the other.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by blululu »

This honestly feels like a good step. I see a lot of comments here lamenting potential regulatory overreach and while that is definitely a risk there are also a lot of people calling for regulations on AI and LLMs. There are credible risks and a lot of people are concerned. At the end of the day it’s a democracy: ignoring these people will not work out. Enough people are concerned that doing nothing is not an option (numerous septuagenarians in my life have serious and legitimate concerns about this. The government has done nothing to curtail rampant text/phone scams targeting the elderly and LLMs can really amplify these scams).

The White House inviting leaders from industry to represent their position at a tentative stage feels like a measured and sensible approach to regulation. Industry is given a seat at the table and hopefully they can reach an agreement that satisfies the needs of industry while also placating the widespread fears about AI. This is a good incremental approach to crafting good laws. While they are at it I wouldn’t mind if the White House also did something about the rampant social security phone scams, but one step at a time.

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Post by taylodl »

blululu wrote: post #89

This honestly feels like a good step. I see a lot of comments here lamenting potential regulatory overreach and while that is definitely a risk there are also a lot of people calling for regulations on AI and LLMs. There are credible risks and a lot of people are concerned. At the end of the day it’s a democracy: ignoring these people will not work out. Enough people are concerned that doing nothing is not an option…

Optimistically industry can help the government separate the reality from the hype and maybe identify boundaries for the technology which would lead to sensible regulation and hopefully not be too restrictive.
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