I wish their mainboard became an actual motherboard spec (something like LAPTOP-ATX), it seems like it's proprietary. Would open the door for more folks to build swappable laptop boards.
The Framework Laptop 13
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a long time Dvorak user, I'm always baffled by people wanting visual Dvorak layouts and physically rearranging their keycaps (which is a really bad idea on many keyboards, with cap angle differing by row). Dvorak really speeds up touch typing (edit: hypothetically, or at least makes it more comfortable). If you're looking at your hands while typing, just use qwerty. Dvorak won't help you. You can use Dvorak regard…
I mean yeah, but learning a new layout is a lot easier when the keycaps match. Also if someone who only knows qwerty has to use your computer for whatever reason they can still hunt and peck vs it being completely impossible.
> but learning a new layout is a lot easier when the keycaps match
I'd suggest learning a new layout is easier on an entirely different keyboard, so as to minimize confusing the fingers' motor memory.
> who only knows qwerty has to use your computer for whatever reason they can still hunt and peck vs it being completely impossible.
Hunting for keys on an unfamiliar layout is impractical.
In my experience, just switch the layout from Dvorak to US International, if you're using Dvorak and someone else wants to use your laptop.
Re: The Framework Laptop 13
#83I would love if there was an ARM flavour with 10+ hours of battery life under sustained use (like I can get on my M1).
I don't think I will ever purchase an x86 processor anymore. Everything in my home is ARM powered. If Framework switches to ARM I will strongly consider them.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
AFAIK there are two cards: the 2X0 and the 2X1. The 1 only works with (recent enough) Intel CPUs, the 0 works with both. It's my understanding that some things are offloaded to the CPU on the 1 models, which older and non-Intel CPUs don't do.
I don't understand this, does it mean that Intel has put a part of card's hardware into a CPU and uses some non-standard interface between the card and the CPU? If not, then why cannot any other processor process the data? It's just bunch of numbers after all.
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And what's all new today is that preorders are now open: "Framework Laptop 13 with AMD Ryzen preorderable"
The new thing is the specific CPU announcement. I'm pretty sure preorders have stayed open since the initial announcement a few weeks back.
I see. So before today, you could preorder Framework Laptop 13 with Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 7 without knowing which CPU model you'll get, but today you can preorder with Ryzen 5 7640U or Ryzen 7 7840U specifically.
Re: The Framework Laptop 13
#86Where's the framework 'surface'?
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
AFAIK there are two cards: the 2X0 and the 2X1. The 1 only works with (recent enough) Intel CPUs, the 0 works with both. It's my understanding that some things are offloaded to the CPU on the 1 models, which older and non-Intel CPUs don't do.
I don't understand this, does it mean that Intel has put a part of card's hardware into a CPU and uses some non-standard interface between the card and the CPU? If not, then why cannot any other processor process the data? It's just bunch of numbers after all.
> does it mean that Intel has put a part of card's hardware into a CPU and uses some non-standard interface between the card and the CPU?
yes
Re: The Framework Laptop 13
#88> If you're upgrading your Framework Laptop to the new Mainboard, remember that you'll need ... a Ryzen-compatible RZ616 or similar WiFi card. Why does WiFi card need to be "compatible" with CPU? Isn't it enough to be compatible with PCI-Express? Or are there backdoors that do not work with Intel-backdoor-compatible WiFi cards?
The Framework wifi card for Intel is an AX201 implementation, which means the only thing on the card is the RF and the rest of the wireless functions are in the Intel SoC. You can't use an AX201 with anything but an Intel platform because of CNVi.
Huh really? I put an AX210 wifi 6E card in my absolutely ancient Intel i7-2600 Optiplex and it works great.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use blank keycaps on my mechanical keyboard for my Dvorak layout: https://www.keyboardco.com/product/blank-black-filco-104-key... I also don't see the point of printing Dvorak layout. You use Dvorak to speed up your touch typing, and reduce fatigue.
I touch-type, but it is still handy having accurate printing on the key caps when entering key combinations. It's also incredibly helpful for anyone learning a new keyboard layout.
Also, if anyone (who doesn't already use Dvorak) has the misfortune of needing to use your computer with its Dvorak layout, that misfortune is amplified by many orders of magnitude if there's no visual indication of which keys are which.
Re: The Framework Laptop 13
#90I wish their mainboard became an actual motherboard spec (something like LAPTOP-ATX), it seems like it's proprietary. Would open the door for more folks to build swappable laptop boards.
They seem to be doing everything they can to make it not proprietary. I'm not sure if there's more that they can do.