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Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by Gigachad »

pierat wrote: post #71
Gigachad wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get this feeling. When I get through a day where I’m not blocked on anything I feel satisfied and happy. If I have to wait half the day for someone to reply and I just watch YouTube in that time, it feels bad. Not even that I’m “cheating” but that it was just a waste of time.

Ah, when that happens for me, I keep trying to learn new things. I call it professional development. And that's served me well too. Every time I job hop, I already have that "hot new skill in demand" along with 30+% salary increase. And I don't feel bad one bit. I know that every job 'takes advantage' of me and my worth, since by definition, capitalist companies will ALWAYS keep the surplus of my labor. I will never…

You're absolutely right, and I think that's the source of the feeling as I know there is always _something_ I could be doing which is more productive than reddit and youtube.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by out-of-ideas »

There are people like this everywhere; the lack of overall caring has been happening, i'd argue, for quite some time. From physical construction to tech jobs; people want to get the job done (and cut whatever corners as they can), to get paid and move onto the next job. Can we really be surprised?

Take a good look at any part of any construction that goes on, from the concrete to the finishing paint jobs and I'm confident the more you look the more you will realize folks either do not pay attention to detail, or they simply do not care. It goes deep into all corporations, especially when buisness-is-booming; gotta move onto the next client to get more cash!

The same can be said for what items we consumers get as well; Apple selling laptops where the cords turn yellow, plastic freys and expose wires after 8 months of use; Samsung has similar issues, and the list goes on.

Now take a look at the products spammed at us via Amazon; searching is abysmal (search for an audio cable, get results for usb cables instead). Want to check the quality of an item? Better order it and return it later when you figure out it is trash.

Long dead are the (deparement?)stores/(big?)corporations/people that had at least some caring about others. What was once normal is shifting, and it has been for years.

I am curious if the dude writing the article did raise up said concerns of fellow employees to their (respective?) boss(es); essentially if management does not prioritize caring is said issues, why would the lowers care about it?

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by kiratp »

reustle wrote: post #77
pierat wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go look up banana trick, aka PLU 4011. This shoplifting joke is thanks to the replacement of humans with these terrible self(aka unpaid) scan machines. Stuff gets put in as bananas, and then weighed. You pay $.29/lb for whatever. And this works beautifully for high price stuff like steaks and the like. Not that I advocate physical theft, but it's definitely a thing. And it's a thing where more people are being screwe…

> customers being forced to be unpaid employees Do you consider yourself a forced unpaid employee when you go through the checkout screen on Amazon?

Same energy as “I pirate stuff because it’s not provided to me exactly when, how and at the exact price I want”. “Information wants to be free!”

This entire thread is depressing.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by hotpotamus »

smsm42 wrote: post #44
SoftTalker wrote: post #12

My eyes really opened to this during the pandemic and its aftermath. Working from home I did almost nothing productive. Got paid the same. Returning to the office, I noticed half the people still seemed to be working from home most days, so I started doing that too. And did almost nothing productive. Nobody apparently noticed or cared. Got paid the same. Got the same raise (yes, below inflation). So now I have given…

Do you shoplift? Serious question. Shoplifting is rarely caught, and even more rarely prosecuted in many major cities (e.g. SF). While you probably won't be able to steal anything high value, there's a lot of things you'd be able to steal without being caught, and why pay for something if you can have it for free? Most grocery stores are owned by billion-dollar corporations, which don't hesitate to raise prices, enga…

I've seen people justify much worse on this site because it pays well.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by hotpotamus »

aaomidi wrote: post #40
geraldwhen wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal of a manager or worker isn’t to be efficient, it’s to produce value. I suspect the diminishing returns of effort at most companies is astonishingly high. I would much rather a developer work 10 hours and accomplish what needs to get done than work 40 and negatively impact the business.

The funny thing is, that extra working does actually negatively impact the business at least in the software world. People seemingly end up having a lot more time for _defining processes_. There are people at nearly every large company I’ve worked on that so more meta work, and sometimes demand more meta work than actual work. Like there are folks that are actively costing productivity in exchange for the meta work.…

If you haven't read or heard about David Graeber, then you've independently put your finger on the subject of his book "Bullshit Jobs", but I'd imagine it's a common realization for many in large organizations.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by kuahyeow »

Maybe there's engineers / developers working like this. Most likely it's a reflection of company culture.

But there are real-world repercussions of just plain bad working practices

* https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-27/whats-happening-with-...

It's not as bad as a bridge falling down, but this is why there's professional bodies and code of ethics in certain professions.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by smugma »

SoftTalker wrote: post #12

My eyes really opened to this during the pandemic and its aftermath. Working from home I did almost nothing productive. Got paid the same. Returning to the office, I noticed half the people still seemed to be working from home most days, so I started doing that too. And did almost nothing productive. Nobody apparently noticed or cared. Got paid the same. Got the same raise (yes, below inflation). So now I have given…

Did your company have layoffs by chance? Maybe this is why so many tech companies have had layoffs… it is terrible for morale but maybe not a lot of work is being lost.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by kiratp »

pierat wrote: post #42
shric wrote: post #11

“You don’t get rewarded for being extra. You don’t get any money when you save costs. You’re going to get a raise below inflation. You’re stupid for caring the way that you do. The business’ downside risk is not yours, and it’s profits are not yours either.” Except when you're granted RSUs or participate in some private company's profit sharing scheme. So if that's important to you, find such a place. The smaller the…

> You don’t get rewarded for being extra. 100% true. Our salary, barring real (not manufactured) fires, should be for 40h/week. Any more is free work not compensated for. > You don’t get any money when you save costs. There is no equity for doing significant tasks. The common area here is automation. I automate, but don't share. I would never get compensated appropriately, so I save my time in lieu of money. > You’re…

> And our only real change is to find yet another slaver, oh I mean capitalist to work for.

Can we please tone down the rhetoric? This is quite disrespectful to the millions who suffered through actual slavery.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by blacksoil »

I think personally it's important for people to realize that people are creature of habit. A person who has the disicipline of going extra miles and strive for excellency in their work, regardless of compensation, is likely to carry his habit across different jobs or even when he decides to do his own startup or anything non-work related. I think this is such a good habit to have will prove beneficial sooner or later. A lot of people think they will just work hard and do their best whem they need to, and take it easy for now at a corporate job. Personally I don't think work-ethics can be switched that easily, it has to be built.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by toomuchtodo »

DougN7 wrote: post #17
throwawaysleep wrote: post #2

I am basically that employee in several ways. I know about wasteful cloud spend that I do nothing about. My last comment on HN actually was asking if anyone could give me a reason to report that cloud waste. The best arguments were for the sake of the environment and to build credibility with co-workers to make it easier to jump ship. Nothing from the company at all. I can't say I deliberately ship bugs, but I don't…

I’m hanging onto this post for the next time I see people on their high horse about integrity among engineers. The fact is, some people have it and some don’t, regardless of job. This makes me sad. Economically it makes sense, but it’s a sign of the sickness in our modern society. Everyone looking out for themselves first without much thought to the community around them. I say this having been burned by employees li…

We got here with hyper aggressive shareholder value optimization and management (broadly speaking) turning practitioners into interchangeable, replaceable cogs. Game’s the same, just got more fierce. Talk about community doesn’t pay inflated rent, food, or healthcare costs.
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