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FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by rgoulter »

ycombinete wrote: post #44
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #14

Great match by Ding and Ian both, and I honestly think Ding deserves the win in the end. I think Ian got a bit too results oriented and pragmatic towards the end of the match, playing too imprecisely and quickly in key positions and always a little too happy with a draw. Ding was just playing chess. And as often happens in chess, this ended up being the decisive psychological factor. Ian, going for a repetition, And…

Yes definitely. Ian must’ve been shifting into draw mode after the first repetition. Hard to adjust again with ~2 minutes on the clock. I think as well that Black had more viable moves as the position continued to develop; Ian on the other hand had to be very accurate. Brilliant from ding really. There’s a reason he’s about 100 Elo points stronger than Ian in Rapid.

In the final game, the commentators on the chess.com stream pointed out that Ian could have gone for a draw, but wanted to push on.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

oldstrangers wrote: post #74
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #23

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I wonder if Carlsen will participate. I'm actually rather salty at him for forfeiting the title. If you are a chess champion, you have to defend the title until you lose, or die, whichever happens first. After he had refused to defend the title, it made the title of his successor automatically less worthy. That's bad.

Be mad at FIDE for failing to adapt the match format to something less ridiculous. For years Magnus advocated for changing both the World Championship Cycle and the format of the games (classical, rapid, blitz). FIDE did nothing, as expected. Currently the World Chess Championship is just a collection of very talented chess players spending months having supercomputers evaluate positions looking for the slightest ima…

Having watched Karpov/Kasparov battles as a child, I don't think that the match format is ridiculous. I'd only change the tiebreaks rule to use the same time control as the main event.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by hgsgm »

somenameforme wrote: post #77
kthejoker2 wrote: post #64

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Fabi's 4th in the world in Blitz, dude can play fast. Carlsen is just a beast.

Their match was played in November 2018. Here are the classical [1] and rapid [2] rating lists from that time. Fabiano was 12 points behind Magnus in classical, and 91 points behind him in rapid. It's all going to be relative. Obviously Fabiano is extremely good at all forms of chess, but all top players (in any sport) are going to have relative strengths/weaknesses when compared against each other. [1] - https://web…

Classics is an extremely impractical format for ratings, because the games are so long so players can't play many games.

It's like Heisenberg Uncertainty.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by hgsgm »

throwawaysalome wrote: post #69
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if Carlsen will participate. I'm actually rather salty at him for forfeiting the title. If you are a chess champion, you have to defend the title until you lose, or die, whichever happens first. After he had refused to defend the title, it made the title of his successor automatically less worthy. That's bad.

When you get older, you realize "world champion" is meaningless, and the adjudicating organizations are profit-driven, even if they're legally non-profit (the NFL being the most brazen example).

NFL was non profit because it istrade association that serve the (for-profit) teams. It's not a nefarious scheme. They changed it because their customers are vocally stupid.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by gushie »

iamshs wrote: post #36
perihelions wrote: post #19

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The main commentator stream was (reasonably) blindsided by Rg6, with comedic timing. Sachdev: "Rg6 is not a move that you'd consider here, right? It's the only move that I feel with black keeps the game going, but it looks more like a losing move than a winning attempt." Caruana: "If Rg6 is not better for white [Nepomniachtchi], I'd be shocked" Ding: [plays Rg6] https://youtu.be/cSxNZix1Xwc?t=16087

Tania's commentary verges on annoying.

I'm guessing she was briefed to sensationalise everything to try and keep it exciting. It was too much for me, I mostly watched the much more calm chessnetwork stream instead

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by ycombinete »

rgoulter wrote: post #81
ycombinete wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes definitely. Ian must’ve been shifting into draw mode after the first repetition. Hard to adjust again with ~2 minutes on the clock. I think as well that Black had more viable moves as the position continued to develop; Ian on the other hand had to be very accurate. Brilliant from ding really. There’s a reason he’s about 100 Elo points stronger than Ian in Rapid.

In the final game, the commentators on the chess.com stream pointed out that Ian could have gone for a draw, but wanted to push on.

There were definitely moments in the game where they both had the option, but I am referring specifically to 46. ... Rg6 [0] which occurs after two repetitions of the position, initiated by Ian.

[0] https://lichess.org/broadcast/fide-world-chess-championship-...

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by sgjohnson »

somenameforme wrote: post #70
ttyyzz wrote: post #35

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I'd rather have the best current player in there. I thought this WCC was rather pointless.

Long World Championship matches and normal tournaments are two very different beasts. Kramnik [convincingly] defeated Kasparov for the world championship in 2000, yet Kasparov was still the indisputably strongest tournament player in the world, and would remain so for the entirety of Kramnik's 6 year reign. Magnus' recent title defenses, except against Ian, have not been convincing. And against Ian, he was largely gi…

> This event showed who the strongest match player in the world is, and as of today - that is Ding Liren.

The problem with the current WCC is that it’s very much up for debate, and this is like, your opinion.

I don’t think Ding Liren is a better player than Magnus Carlsen.

The current title is mostly symbolic. It means “the second best player in the world”.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by lumb63 »

Does anyone have tips on how to watch chess? I got pretty into chess during lockdown. I read several books on the subject, was playing a few hours each day. I had friends who got into it as well, and they would watch the tournaments and high profile matches, but I couldn't enjoy them. I didn't feel like I understood the game enough, and the commentary sometimes went over my head/went by too quickly. Anyone been in the same situation?

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by sgjohnson »

hgsgm wrote: post #79
somenameforme wrote: post #70

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Long World Championship matches and normal tournaments are two very different beasts. Kramnik [convincingly] defeated Kasparov for the world championship in 2000, yet Kasparov was still the indisputably strongest tournament player in the world, and would remain so for the entirety of Kramnik's 6 year reign. Magnus' recent title defenses, except against Ian, have not been convincing. And against Ian, he was largely gi…

Magnus plays WC for draws to eliminate risk, because he knows he is much better at rapid. He was still unbeatable.

Yes. This is the meta strategy. Nepo was also doing this when he was a point ahead.
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