Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

bloomberg.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

81–90 of 966 posts

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#81

Post by TheAceOfHearts »

pjc50 wrote: post #23
esskay wrote: post #10

Not really that surprising is it? I'm waiting for the day they send me the inevitable notice to pay more, aka the day I cancel Netflix. They could get away with this if their offering was substantially better than the competitors but thse days it's not. Pumping out complete crap like 'The Floor is Lava' and the 9 millionth cake contest isn't what built their massive customer base. These days when a new hyped show com…

Netflix axing incomplete shows has become like Google killing products: people are starting to become aware of it, and that puts them off picking up new products. It's also self-sabotaging behavior from the point of view of a back catalog. If people know in advance that a show had an unsatisfying ending, they're not going to recommend that people go back and watch it. But then Netflix and everyone else seems to treat…

This happens with a lot of modern media. There's a lot of indie authors that keep starting new series which get dropped or continue getting written based on sales. But once you know an author is prone to dropping a series without finishing you stop picking up their books.

It's actually really frustrating to see an author continue starting one new series after another rather than finishing any of their existing works. It's probably not as fun or exciting, but it feels like an integral part of bulding trust. If I'm going to get emotionally invested in a series I want it to have a real ending.

In Japan it's very common for a series to get a single anime season, but if you're really invested in the story you can continue reading the light novels. But if a story is a Netflix Original, there's no source material you can turn to when the series gets cancelled.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#82

Post by mejutoco »

mkl95 wrote: post #22

This trend may be masking the fact their Spanish originals are overall pretty poor. In my opinion, Money Heist is the only high quality Spanish show they have produced. These days their non Spanish output is not that good either, though. Netflix should study World of Warcraft's player exodus after 2009 or so, as an example of what happens when you offer too much low quality content to the masses.

IMO this is what happens when you create data-driven series. Being a good producer of shows is a different business than being a tech company.

Plus losing the old catalogue rights that they got for cheap. Once other companies saw it was viable they were not interested in selling the rights for cheap.

On the other side, every time I use another streaming service (channel4, any German tv, even hbo) the basic player experience is much worse than netflix. I will miss them but, like Blockbuster, it is a matter of time.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#84

Post by danpalmer »

gcatalfamo wrote: post #24

From the comments in this thread, many are not understanding that password borrowers are typically contributing to the account owner's monthly subscription, and many account owners, when faced to the full price of the subscription will eventually unsubscribe as well. 5€ month for what Netflix has to offer is one thing, 18€/month, for many, becomes an instant no-deal.

Do you think most sharers are contributing to the price? I really don’t think that’s the case. I’ve never heard of anyone charging family members for access to their Netflix account.

There might be some friend groups who split the cost of an account between them, but I suspect far more common is that parents have an account that kids (who might be independent adults) use, couples who don’t live together sharing passwords, or more well off siblings letting less well off siblings use their account.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#85

Post by pjc50 »

Varqu wrote: post #65
MadSudaca wrote: post #42

It's funny. Right now I have access to around 5 streaming services while I only pay for 2. My girlfriend's friend has access to Netflix, my sis HBO. I provide access to Disney+ and Prime to my family. I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. If it wasn't because other people use my accounts (and I use theirs), I wouldn't be paying for…

It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services. Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service and that was also one of the reasons why it took people from torrenting to paying for movies. Nowadays, if you want to watch a particular movie, you have maybe a 10% chance that it is available on the streaming service that you are cur…

As an old movie kind of guy: I don't get why nobody wants me to have a big economical catalogue of all the movies. If you want to watch stuff from before about 1990 your best bet is pirating it off Youtube, oddly. Or hoping it's part of the 20th Century Fox that ended up on Disney+.

The most generous film studio is .. Mosfilm. I suppose it's fitting that the Communist movies are available for free.

(Criterion looks promising but is a long way from all movies and US/CA only)

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#86

Post by pallas_athena »

Varqu wrote: post #65
MadSudaca wrote: post #42

It's funny. Right now I have access to around 5 streaming services while I only pay for 2. My girlfriend's friend has access to Netflix, my sis HBO. I provide access to Disney+ and Prime to my family. I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. If it wasn't because other people use my accounts (and I use theirs), I wouldn't be paying for…

It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services. Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service and that was also one of the reasons why it took people from torrenting to paying for movies. Nowadays, if you want to watch a particular movie, you have maybe a 10% chance that it is available on the streaming service that you are cur…

It would be all better (for the customer) if video streaming services were like music streaming services.

Want to hear an album? it's on Spotify / Apple Music / Deezer / Qobuz...

You pick the one that offers the best user experience (or unique features like HD songs).

Exclusives are basically non-existent.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#87

Post by automatic6131 »

finnish-food wrote: post #68
dmix wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. I'm surprised you achieved that at all. Google accounts are locked down hardcore... As it should be My gf wanted me to share my ChatGPT plus account but I signed up via Gmail and it was impossible. All of these sites can easily lock it down but choose not to. We're probably living in the Golde…

“ living in the Golden era.” If you actually lived in a Golden Era entertainment would be free, quality, and meant to enrich the people instead of advertise and moralize to them. I really don’t understand how a DVD collection is an “essential service” either. Or why you would effectively choose not to look at your watching statistics and then simply buy the media you watch the most. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1345034685…

>meant to enrich the people >not to moralize to them

I feel the current crop of writers employed by Disney, Netflix, Amazon etc. cannot tell the difference between these two.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

#89

Post by cactusplant7374 »

gcatalfamo wrote: post #24

From the comments in this thread, many are not understanding that password borrowers are typically contributing to the account owner's monthly subscription, and many account owners, when faced to the full price of the subscription will eventually unsubscribe as well. 5€ month for what Netflix has to offer is one thing, 18€/month, for many, becomes an instant no-deal.

Not according to Netflix:

> We see a cancel reaction in each market when we announce the news,” Netflix said in its first quarter earnings release on April 18, expecting the dip to be momentary before users that didn’t pay start signing up for their own accounts. “In Canada, which we believe is a reliable predictor for the US, our paid membership base is now larger than prior to the launch of paid sharing and revenue growth has accelerated and is now growing faster than in the US,” Netflix said.

Post reply on HN