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We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by duskwuff »

kmeisthax wrote: post #65
derefr wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people that Mux are applying the word “pirate” to here are the people doing the streaming, not the people watching the streams. The people doing the streaming aren’t only “making paid content free to access”; they’re also putting up ads on these sites, making a profit off of IP they didn’t create. It’s analogous to bootlegging: buying a fake Gucci bag is not unethical; but producing one is.

More importantly, for-money streaming pirates are terrible customers Mux doesn't want to do business with. The kinds of pirates we're thinking about from a decade ago weren't trying to make a quick buck, so they were using things like BitTorrent that had everyone sharing bandwidth.

> More importantly, for-money streaming pirates are terrible customers Mux doesn't want to do business with.

Yep. Their entire business is illegal, so breaking a few more laws by signing up for CDN service with a stolen credit card is no big deal.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by anarchogeek »

People pirate streams of soccer matches because it's nearly impossible to pay for legally. The matches for a single team or league are spread out amongst a ton of different streaming providers. Sometimes there is no paid option at all because of region blocking and complicated deals.

I happily pay Apple for MLS matches because there was no reliable way to get them here in New Zealand. It is still stupid because Apple has no idea what they're doing, the announcers are terrible, the audio levels all over the place, random silence, it gets loud, then random cutting between shots... At least it streams well.

But for other leagues? It is cheaper to go buy a ticket to watch the Wellington Phoenix at the stadium than it is to pay for streaming! Even then I can only find some matches.

What about other leagues? I follow Uruguayan soccer... good luck finding a place I could even pay for that which licenses the content in New Zealand.

My only hope is that this post about how to block pirate streaming will help the pirates evade being blocked.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by standeven »

”If it is a false positive, they will press “Silence,” which activates another n8n workflow that adds the asset to an allowlist, so it won’t alert again.”

So the secret is to first stream a safe video that will purposely trigger a false positive, and then switch to a pirate stream later on.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by nl »

emacdona wrote: post #51
nl wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To watch every UCI race This is a good example of the situation in many sports. The UCI is a governing body, not an event organiser or promoter. Basically anyone can put on race, and they are responsible for making money out of it. So event promoters make their own deals with broadcasters.

Thanks for pointing that out -- I guess I should have realized that (maybe I did at one point). At the very least, then, I wish the UCI would make it EASY to figure out what services I needed to subscribe to in my country to watch which races. Just a page on their website with a big table would be great. Figuring out that I need to subscribe to GCN+, Peacock, and Flobikes in the US was no small feat (and it changes f…

Well the UCI is like a mini version of the International Olympic Committee - borderline corrupt, pretty ineffective at anything and barely useful so not astonishing they don't do that.

I suspect the promoters try to keep away from the UCI as much as possible.

There have been a few attempts by the pro-teams to improve the situation via Velon[1][2] - apparently you can get live race data from them - but nothing that has really solved the problem.

[1] https://www.velon.cc/

[2] https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2018/01/velon-live-tracking-syst...

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by Scoundreller »

Entinel wrote: post #4
NullPrefix wrote: post #3

> Some of the obvious risk factors include: > Is the email address a company domain or a consumer email like Gmail? Do you actually expect people to use their work email for personal purposes?

I used to work in IT and one of my responsibilities was managing the company email and TONS of people used their work email for personal stuff. At least 1/3 of the company.

Drives me even more bonkers when it's a gov or quasi-gov organization where anyone with a few dollars could get a copy of everything.

Then there's the stuff that can come out of private sector in a lawsuit.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by LanceH »

temp_praneshp wrote: post #62
esharte wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you lived in the UK, supported Tottenham and wanted to watch all their games in the 2021/22 season you had to: Subscribe to Sky Sports (around £50-60 a month) for the Premier League games. Subscribe to BT Sports (30 a month) for the Saturday early kick off Premier League games and the Europa Conference League games. Subscribe to Amazon Prime for the 3 random weeks when they are showing the Premier League games ins…

If you watch Tottenham despite all that, you deserve the pain their football causes. Jokes apart, is the BT Sports "early kick off games" completely different from the Sky Sports game you mentioned? That's ridiculous. I was in England in Summer 2019 for the cricket world cup, and was shocked at how difficult it was to watch the games on TV. Wimbledon was very easy though, so maybe Tennis is way more popular?

A lot of European countries have a list of events which must be freely available. I guessing Wimbledon is on that list in the UK.

Check out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofcom_Code_on_Sports_and_Other...

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by ronsor »

dilyevsky wrote: post #70
63 wrote: post #46

> The contractor can escalate or silence the alert using the buttons on the Slack message. If it is a false positive, they will press “Silence,” which activates another n8n workflow that adds the asset to an allowlist, so it won’t alert again. So if I were a prospective soccer pirate hoping to take advantage of Mux publishing the specific details of their content moderation system, could I just stream myself harmless…

You’d be surprised how quickly a decently popular stream get dmca’ed these days (and in some jurisdictions your entire domain is autoblocked by isps). Content owners use automated tooling to scour the web for their IP

Can't they put their stream behind some kind of anti-bot CAPTCHA?

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by dclowd9901 »

emacdona wrote: post #8

Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

Positively nailed it. Why can’t I just watch gt racing? Who can I just give my money to to watch all the GT and SCCA racing I want? Nobody has it and whoever owns it has made it balls out the hardest thing in the world to watch.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

Entinel wrote: post #4
NullPrefix wrote: post #3

> Some of the obvious risk factors include: > Is the email address a company domain or a consumer email like Gmail? Do you actually expect people to use their work email for personal purposes?

I used to work in IT and one of my responsibilities was managing the company email and TONS of people used their work email for personal stuff. At least 1/3 of the company.

I see this all too often in customer data at work too.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by toxic »

oatmeal1 wrote: post #61
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> THE ONLY sports governing body that has figured this out (for sports I like, anyway), is F1. No. The only ones who figured it out is the NFL. F1 shafted Germany after youg Schuhmacher came into F1 and German Sky bought exclusive rights. The NFL? Intl Game Pass €190 per season live streams, instant repeats no adverts, various show, dedicated tv apps, no limit on number of devices, high def.

FWIW GamePass in the US is cheaper, but godawful software that will, for example, force you to clear your cache and log back in every time you want to watch another game. Every year it gets a fresh new look, removes a couple features, and adds bugs. It's the worst software I've ever used.

Does GamePass in the US stream games live?

Because GamePass outside of the US does (in addition to the on-demand and condensed games and "all 22" stuff that the US GamePass gets). It's kind of like NFL Sunday Ticket but delivered by akamai instead of satellite.

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