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Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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Post by JohnFen »

yakireev wrote: post #53
freedomben wrote: post #21

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

> Imagine if you bought a car from somebody, and they secretly kept a spare key and periodically used your car to run their personal errand. This is happening already. Teslas can be controlled remotely, and it does not have to be the owner of said Tesla. Yes, somehow people are okay with that. The world we live in gets scarier and scarier every year.

Yep. This is, in part, why not only won't I ever own a Tesla, but I won't be owning cars that are too new.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#82

Post by soulofmischief »

JohnFen wrote: post #79
freedomben wrote: post #21

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

This angers me as well. At the same time, this sort of thing is so very common. It's hard, and unhealthy, to be in a perpetual state of outrage. This sort of thing is exactly why I won't be replacing my smartphone when it dies. The only way to avoid being abused by tech companies is to avoid using their products as much as possible. This is where I'm at. I don't see any other solution in the near term. Tech has been…

Your enemies want you to think eternal outrage is unhealthy. That's how they eventually win; They can play this game longer than you're willing to play it.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#83

Post by callmeal »

freedomben wrote: post #21

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

>Imagine if you bought a car from somebody, and they secretly kept a spare key and periodically used your car to run their personal errand.

It's worse than that. It's like you bought a house from somebody and they secretly left cameras all over the living room, bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen so they can get 'telemetry' ostensibly to improve the next house they build, for 'safety' in case there's an accident, and to 'protect the children'.

I think people are so overwhelmed and anxious that there's no space for fighting back against this kind of over-reach. And even if you did have the time and space and energy, how would you even go about it?

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#84

Post by wlesieutre »

callmeal wrote: post #83
freedomben wrote: post #21

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

>Imagine if you bought a car from somebody, and they secretly kept a spare key and periodically used your car to run their personal errand. It's worse than that. It's like you bought a house from somebody and they secretly left cameras all over the living room, bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen so they can get 'telemetry' ostensibly to improve the next house they build, for 'safety' in case there's an accident, and to '…

So it's like buying a Tesla

https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#85

Post by fsflover »

JohnFen wrote: post #79
freedomben wrote: post #21

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

This angers me as well. At the same time, this sort of thing is so very common. It's hard, and unhealthy, to be in a perpetual state of outrage. This sort of thing is exactly why I won't be replacing my smartphone when it dies. The only way to avoid being abused by tech companies is to avoid using their products as much as possible. This is where I'm at. I don't see any other solution in the near term. Tech has been…

The solution is to buy devices that you actually own.

Sent from my Librem 5.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#86

Post by dcow »

yakireev wrote: post #53
freedomben wrote: post #21

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

> Imagine if you bought a car from somebody, and they secretly kept a spare key and periodically used your car to run their personal errand. This is happening already. Teslas can be controlled remotely, and it does not have to be the owner of said Tesla. Yes, somehow people are okay with that. The world we live in gets scarier and scarier every year.

Let me put it into perspective.

1) AFAIK Teslas cannot be driven remotely. But even if they could Tesla is not using cars for errands, like wtf c’mon. And if they wanted to do that and paid me for it, I might be interested in helping the environment.

2) Tesla is able to remotely unlock a vehicle if they verify the owner. This replaces a call to a locksmith and/or the towing company and is way more convenient. So yes, people are okay with being able to have their car remotely unlocked by a third party who they authorize, we always have been.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#87

Post by dcow »

JohnFen wrote: post #81
yakireev wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Imagine if you bought a car from somebody, and they secretly kept a spare key and periodically used your car to run their personal errand. This is happening already. Teslas can be controlled remotely, and it does not have to be the owner of said Tesla. Yes, somehow people are okay with that. The world we live in gets scarier and scarier every year.

Yep. This is, in part, why not only won't I ever own a Tesla, but I won't be owning cars that are too new.

Did you know a locksmith can unlock your car, too? You should add cars with physical keyed entry to your list too.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#88

Post by JohnFen »

fsflover wrote: post #85
JohnFen wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This angers me as well. At the same time, this sort of thing is so very common. It's hard, and unhealthy, to be in a perpetual state of outrage. This sort of thing is exactly why I won't be replacing my smartphone when it dies. The only way to avoid being abused by tech companies is to avoid using their products as much as possible. This is where I'm at. I don't see any other solution in the near term. Tech has been…

The solution is to buy devices that you actually own. Sent from my Librem 5.

There are additional, similar, issues that come with using smartphone apps as well. Just using Librem doesn't resolve the overall issue for me.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#89

Post by fsflover »

joezydeco wrote: post #32
freedomben wrote: post #21

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

Sorry, but trying to be optimistic about RISC-V is only going to lead to more pain. It's just an instruction set architecture and it's still going to be made in large SoC fabs by Qualcomm-class companies that want to save a buck on ARM licensing. There's no way to win here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35507322

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#90

Post by JohnFen »

soulofmischief wrote: post #82
JohnFen wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This angers me as well. At the same time, this sort of thing is so very common. It's hard, and unhealthy, to be in a perpetual state of outrage. This sort of thing is exactly why I won't be replacing my smartphone when it dies. The only way to avoid being abused by tech companies is to avoid using their products as much as possible. This is where I'm at. I don't see any other solution in the near term. Tech has been…

Your enemies want you to think eternal outrage is unhealthy. That's how they eventually win; They can play this game longer than you're willing to play it.

I am not willing to live in a state of eternal outrage. It's an incredibly unpleasant place to be and what's the point? My outrage changes nothing, and I don't need to be outraged to do whatever is in my power to change things.

Not giving these bastards money is a good start.

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