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LSD: Not Even Once

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Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#81
post #65

Had a somewhat similar experience. Irritating how harmless and positive psychedelics and cannabis are made out to be in popular culture in spite of the issues like these that can cause.

It's a way for people that want to be addicts to rationalize their addictions, and should be mercilessly shamed out of being so popular.

Is psychedelic addiction even a thing? Anyway, people who aren't addicts do it too.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#82

Had a similar experience, but with the much more tame marijuana. It was a 6-hour long panic attack for me. Similar to the author of this, I read for years of how "the only way it could ever harm you is if you were crushed by 100 lbs of it" on sites like Reddit. It wasn't until after getting high that I heard about marijuana amplifying stress tendencies in a minority of people. I've always been high strung, and maybe…

As someone who has been consuming lots of marijuana in the past 25 years, my recommendation is to not consume marijuana when in a bad mood or in stressful situations. I see drugs (including alcohol) as mood amplifiers.

Many people do use cannabis for mood enhancement, though that a) might not work, and b) might lead to dependence.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#83

This is one of two reasons why I decided to not try anything, ever. 1. What if it’s the most amazing thing ever, like ADHD medication, what if you get insanely productive, and you then have to go back to being mediocre? 2. What if it triggers something bad. If I get 10% worse at focusing on a solving a problem? Nope

That's why I never smoked a single nicotine cigarette. If I like it, I'll be an addict. If I don't, it was wasted.

I’ve done similar. I’ve actually smoked many cigarettes but I’ve never bought nicotine myself. I’ve seen both of my parents piss away thousands of dollars and years of their lives to cigarettes, but damn a hit of a vape can be fun with friends

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#85
post #68

Thousands, if not millions, of people in India and increasingly across the world take Indian ginseng aka ashwagandha for anxiety and other psyche problems. My wife ate several kilos of the stuff during her BSc programme; it helped her with exams and general stress. At some point I was very anxious for a perfectly valid exogenous reason, and she recommended I take it. Three pills in (recommended daily dose, taken over…

Lol. Tylenol is over the counter and the wrong dose can literary kill your liver. Do you have links to those studies? I'm curious. I've tried Ashwagandha and stopped as it seemed to make me more anxious but YMMV.

Bleach will kill you, too. But unlike bleach, Tylenol is carefully regulated as a medication; in particular, it's packaged at precise dosages, with high quality control standards.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#86

This is one of two reasons why I decided to not try anything, ever. 1. What if it’s the most amazing thing ever, like ADHD medication, what if you get insanely productive, and you then have to go back to being mediocre? 2. What if it triggers something bad. If I get 10% worse at focusing on a solving a problem? Nope

That's probably not true. You'll try (and probably already have) all sorts of drugs which are deemed, by some government authority, to be "safe" which have all sorts of nasty side effects. Many "totally safe" drugs have much worse effects than psychedelics.

You will get 10% worse at focusing on solving a problem and then 20% just as a result of aging and there's nothing you can do about it. Your eyes will get old, your vitreous will start to detach and you'll start to see what looks like worms floating around in your eyes. Again, nothing you can do about it. Your hearing too will slowly start to degrade. High frequencies will fade to dust and those below them will become more apparent and, in some cases, become quite annoying.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#87
post #31

I've done psychedelics upwards of 50 times over the last 5 years and while I think they are dangerous, and that their real purpose and origin may be different than what we are taught, I still think they are valuable drugs. Invaluable even. I just can't conceive of a place in our culture where we could do them like for instance we do adderall or prozac. I know they do studies but to me it seems like an experience that…

What do you mean by, "that their real purpose and origin may be different than what we are taught"

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#88
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed this pattern where "anecdote" is deployed when someone disagrees with some point another person is making. But would you be chiming in here about "anecdotes" if this was a post by someone claiming acid helped them?

Anecdotes are fine for story telling but have no place in debates.

Anecdotes are rarely definite proof of anything. But bayesian evidence is bayesian evidence.

And if someone tried to argue that LSD can never cause visual snow, a single anecdote is enough to refute that. Anecdotes are not always wrong in debate.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#89
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed this pattern where "anecdote" is deployed when someone disagrees with some point another person is making. But would you be chiming in here about "anecdotes" if this was a post by someone claiming acid helped them?

Anecdotes are fine for story telling but have no place in debates.

Why not? I think it was Jeff Bezos who said “When data and anecdotes disagree, it’s usually the anecdote that’s right. Something is wrong with the way you’re measuring your data.”

If there’s a debate at all then the data are probably ambiguous or inconclusive, so let’s talk real human experience. Data says LSD is the best thing ever, and here’s one guy who has a terrible experience - is he wrong?

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#90
Set and setting are enormously important when taking anything, even alcohol or caffeine. If you're in a bad mood or uncomfortable space, drugs will probably make it worse.
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