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OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

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Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

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Once you've trained on the internet and most published books (and more...) what else is there to do? You can't scale up massively anymore.

You can transcribe all spoken words everywhere and keep the model up to date? Keep indexing new data from chat messages, news articles, new academic work etc.

The data is not finite.

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#82

Eh. Altman has a financial incentive to lie and obfuscate about what it takes to train a model like GPT-4 and beyond, so his word is basically worthless.

OpenAI has gone from open-sourcing its work, to publishing papers only, to publishing papers that omit important information, to GPT-4 being straight-up closed. And Sam Altman doesn't exactly have a track record of being overly concerned about the truth of his statements.

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

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Something kind of funny (but mostly annoying), about this announcement is the people arguing that OpenAI is, in fact, working on GPT-5 in secret.

To my knowledge, NFT/crypto hype never got so bad that conspiracy theories began to circulate (though I’m sure there were some if you looked hard enough).

Can’t wait for an AIAnon community to emerge.

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#85

Eh. Altman has a financial incentive to lie and obfuscate about what it takes to train a model like GPT-4 and beyond, so his word is basically worthless.

It could also be argued that there's financial incentive to just saying "giving us more money to train bigger models = better AI" forever

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#86

Related reading: https://dynomight.net/scaling/ In short it seems like virtually all of the improvement in future AI models will come from better algorithms, with bigger and better data a distant second, and more parameters a distant third. Of course, this claim is itself internally inconsistent in that it assumes that new algorithms won't alter the returns to scale from more data or parameters. Maybe a more precise…

All the LC grinding may come in handy after all! /s What algorithms specifically show the most results upon improvement? Going into this I thought the jump of improvements were really related more advanced automated tuning and result correction, in which it could be done at scale as it were allowing a small team of data scientists to tweak the models until desired results were being achieved. Are you saying instead,…

bubble sort /s

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example: you could use GPT to parse a resume file, pull out work experience and return it as JSON. That would take minutes to setup using the GPT API and it would take weeks to build your own system, but GPT is so expensive that building your own system is totally worth it. True, but an HR SaaS vendor could use that to put on a compelling demo to a potential customer, stopping them from going to a competitor or…

I work for a company with the web development team. We have ~6 software developers. I'd love to be able to just have people submit their resume's and extract the data from there, but instead I'm going to build a form and make applicants fill it out because chatGPT is going to be at least $0.05USD depending on the length of the resume. I'd also love to have mini summeries of order returns summerized in human form, but…

5 cents. Per resume. $500 per 10k. 1-3 hours of a fully loaded engineers salary per year. You are being criminally cheap.

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#89

Something kind of funny (but mostly annoying), about this announcement is the people arguing that OpenAI is, in fact, working on GPT-5 in secret . To my knowledge, NFT/crypto hype never got so bad that conspiracy theories began to circulate (though I’m sure there were some if you looked hard enough). Can’t wait for an AIAnon community to emerge.

Isn’t it obvious? Q is definitely an LLM, trained on trillions of words exfiltrated from our nation’s secure systems. This explains why it’s always wrong in its predictions: it’s hallucinating!

Re: OpenAI’s CEO says the age of giant AI models is already over

#90

>"the company’s CEO, Sam Altman, says further progress will not come from making models bigger. “I think we're at the end of the era where it's going to be these, like, giant, giant models,” he told an audience at an event held at MIT late last week. “We'll make them better in other ways.” So to reiterate, he is not saying that the age of giant AI models is over. Current top-of-the-line AI models are giant and likely…

Is cost really that much of a burden?

Intelligence is the single most expensive resource on the planet. Hundreds of individuals have to be born, nurtured, and educated before you might get an exceptional 135+ IQ individual. Every intelligent person is produced at a great societal cost.

If you can reduce the cost of replicating a 135 IQ, or heck, even a 115 IQ person to a few thousand dollars, you're beating biology by a massive margin.

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