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AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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His photo has been removed from the gallery, but here are the other finalists in the category he won. The category tends towards the abstract, so it's not super surprising that they'd confuse AI images with real ones. https://www.worldphoto.org/sony-world-photography-awards/win...

So this is photography not photoshop contest ?

...did they paint a dog to do that ? Or there is some half and half dog running around somewhere?

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

#82
This is nothing significant TBH.

First, the image sucks. Do you really get any artistic whatever from that image? At best, it looks like a badly photoshopped image that struggles to simulates 80's look and feel. It also has AI-specific dirtiness. I really wonder how many people can legitimately argue for this image. Perhaps this may mark that the competition is somewhat irrelevant to the taste of general public anyway, and this kinda relates to the small trolling impact he made.

Second, the competition already accepts photoshopped images[1], as long as the scope of modification is clearly outlined in description. On top of that, the specific category he competed is more open to heavily photoshopped images in the first place. It's likely that images modified using AI will be allowed to some extent. (i.e. insert/remove items, minor fix to the posture, etc).

[1]: https://www.worldphoto.org/help-contact#13

I mean, if he were such a pioneer, he could've just based his work on smartphone photos, and provide fully honest description and still win. That could've been a real history. This? It's just a dead copycat. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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For a long time, polaroids have been held as the "this image can't be faked." Somewhere in my collection of lesser used equipment, I've got a Daylab. https://www.instantphoto.eu/pola/pola_daylab_300.htm and I used it to transfer some 35mm slides to 4x5" to practice the various manipulations you can do there (emulsion lifts and transfers). The thing was I had a 35mm slide that was projected onto the film. If I could m…

> And so what if you sign the EXIF data. That only really guarantees that version of the image. If you adjust the saturation or curves or exposure... or correct for some lens aberration does that EXIF information still match the resulting photo? For that matter, what if you crop it to a square from a rectangle or stitch two images into a panorama? Oh, that's actually possible with cryptographic techniques. Very excit…

Those are interesting, but there's a difference in the manipulations that are done for image for journalism and image for art. That has crop, resize, and grayscale... but not things like "selectively dodge and burn", "adjust the white balance", "skew or rotate to level horizon", or "correct for chromatic and coma aberration in a particular lens."

While that is good and useful (and I would be willing to even go so far as saying "needed" for journalistic uses), the transformations available are remarkably limited for artistic use that even represent what can be done in a traditional darkroom.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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> could camera manufacturers add a new tag to the EXIF data that is cryptographically signed by the camera They could, and some already do, but this doesn't fully solve the problem. You'd still be left with the analog loophole[1]. A sufficiently advanced attacker could feed a generated image directly to the camera sensor. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole

Or... Extract the keys from the camera.

Unlikely, if they use a secure enclave or similar.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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What efforts like this are missing is publishing a cryptographic hash before engaging in the deception. Otherwise it can seem like the author intentionally decided to mislead but might have changed their intention after winning. Publishing something openly like e1c7aa9150766bd5279b54951e3828ed9c19367af21f03f669eb586bd54c13b1 which can later be verified once "revealed". $ echo "I, CapableWeb, is gonna participate in S…

Of course, what you do is publish plenty of different hashes on the block chain(s) of your choice. Then you can later reveal what you feel like.

Don't really have to involve blockchain here (yet again), publishing on a website and letting Internet Archive archive it is good enough. Or even posting it on Twitter/HN/$social-media-with-edit-limit

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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I disagree. Too many people happily go along with the status quo, despite correctly recognizing something should be changed. It takes energy, courage, and sacrifice to create change. A body at rest will remain at rest unless acted up on by an outside force. In this case, this author correctly recognized that its better to force the conversation now, himself, than let things play themselves out naturally.

Excuse me, but what kind of "changes" are you talking about? Professionalism is primarily built on trust, including a mutual trust in professional systems. Therefore, students are not allowed to cheat on exams, for example (not only for this reason, of course, but also for this reason). If you think that the destruction of the system of mutual trust is some kind of "change", then I want to upset you, because such "ch…

> Now the organizers of professional photography competitions will not trust photographers, and photographers will not trust the organizers of competitions.

"organizers of professional photography competitions will not trust photographers"

But this is already present. There were plagiarism or alleged plagiarism scandals [1][2][3]. There were cases of doctored photographs [4][5], or misinformation [6]

Most competitions use means to protect against this to some extent [7]

So what is new?

1: https://petapixel.com/2017/04/01/plagiarism-coincidence-curi...

2: https://blog.photoshelter.com/2021/10/a-student-plagiarized-...

3: https://www.boredpanda.com/man-steals-photo-wins-exhibition-...

4: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/photography...

5: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/arts/design/world-press-p...

6: https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/world-press-photo-award-wi...

7: https://time.com/3706626/world-press-photo-processing-manipu...

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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My initial reaction was "great, so this is a thing now" but then I opened the article: > "I applied as a cheeky monkey, to find out, if the comeptitions (sic) are prepared for AI images to enter. They are not." I withdraw my heavy sigh. --- This did get me thinking though -- could camera manufacturers add a new tag to the EXIF data that is cryptographically signed by the camera? This could then be carried over from t…

Where do we draw the line? iPhone photos go through ml models should they not count either?

Just watching where the tech is heading I’m not going to be surprised if almost all creative tools in 10 years go through this tech so the whole idea that we can cordon off “pure and honest art” seems impossible on the long timeline.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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I am of the opinion that the process used to create this image (or any AI image) can be considered an art form. For the author to correctly find the language and prompts needed for an AI to generate this image is a new type of art-form, from my point of view.

It doesn't mean, of course, that we shouldn't be able to understand the origins of the image and correctly categorize it. Contests like this will definitely have to grapple with their handling of generated images, just like they've had to decide rules about photoshopped images.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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My initial reaction was "great, so this is a thing now" but then I opened the article: > "I applied as a cheeky monkey, to find out, if the comeptitions (sic) are prepared for AI images to enter. They are not." I withdraw my heavy sigh. --- This did get me thinking though -- could camera manufacturers add a new tag to the EXIF data that is cryptographically signed by the camera? This could then be carried over from t…

> could camera manufacturers add a new tag to the EXIF data that is cryptographically signed by the camera They could, and some already do, but this doesn't fully solve the problem. You'd still be left with the analog loophole[1]. A sufficiently advanced attacker could feed a generated image directly to the camera sensor. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole

Frankly, sounds like a privacy nightmare for a little gain.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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This is nothing significant TBH. First, the image sucks. Do you really get any artistic whatever from that image? At best, it looks like a badly photoshopped image that struggles to simulates 80's look and feel. It also has AI-specific dirtiness. I really wonder how many people can legitimately argue for this image. Perhaps this may mark that the competition is somewhat irrelevant to the taste of general public anywa…

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