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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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People were so quick to assume the nature of the crime even when no info about a possible suspect had been publicly released. Check the quote tweets to Bob's 2019 tweet about "recognize that your black friends face challenges you don’t" https://www.twitter.com/crazybob/status/1181668744247930880/...

Shit, I wish I hadn't read those. I didn't need that today.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

The number of high profile tech bros on Twitter using the death to further their own views was disgraceful. SF may have big issues but using someone’s murder to further your political beliefs is horrible. I’m sure we won’t hear any retraction though.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#83
post #43

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You're objectively wrong. > San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to police department data. Despite the increase, the number of homicides in San Francisco is well below that of other cities of a similar size, data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association shows. > Indianapolis, for example, witnessed 271 homicides in 2021 and 2…

Thanks for the numbers. On the street except for murder cops won’t even take your report anymore. The numbers reflect nothing in SF and residents know it.

Did you miss the fact that we had two entire elections to install a new reactionary pro-cop DA, specifically so that people who use this excuse to make things up about SF crime could can it?

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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post #61
post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

> I wonder how likely it is that the same population will comment here to say, "I was wrong"? Sure, people were wrong in their assumption that the murder was random. At least that's how it looks now. We haven't heard the suspects side, but.... But wrong that SF has become a dangerous and mismanaged city? Murder isn't the only violent crime and a lot of crime goes unreported. People don't feel safe walking around and…

People see homelessness and open drug use and petty property crime, filter it through their ideological lens, and amplify that into feeling that they are themselves somehow less safe. You can assert that that is rational, but it's as connected to reality as someone feeling afraid when e.g. a black person is walking behind them.

Saying stuff like "a lot of [violent] crime goes unreported" is straight up fanciful thinking, and leads one to make claims that aren't falsifiable. People aren't reporting assaults? Sounds completely absurd.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#85
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a bit of a reach. "Move fast and break things" to me means take risks, don't get bogged down in process or do the same thing everyone else is doing. I don't see how you get from that to stabbing people. Your other quote is nice but it's a bit silly to apply it to a literal stabbing.

When the person stabbed was the CTO of a company just accused a week earlier of fraud and facilitating illegal transactions, it may not be that silly. https://hindenburgresearch.com/block/

This is extremely unhelpful speculation, Bob Lee had not been a part of Square/Block for many years before the incident, if this was truly connected to the facilitation of money laundering and fraud, why target an ex-CTO of all people?

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#86
post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

Agreed.

To those of us with mental models constructed from data, this case is proceeding as expected. If Momeni is guilty I hope he admits his guilt.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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post #30

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You're objectively wrong. > San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to police department data. Despite the increase, the number of homicides in San Francisco is well below that of other cities of a similar size, data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association shows. > Indianapolis, for example, witnessed 271 homicides in 2021 and 2…

It's quite high for overall crime though.

Crime Rate(per 1,000 residents):

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/jacksonville/crime - 33.76

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/in/indianapolis/crime - 42.52

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime - 54.33

as a reference point:

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/mi/detroit/crime - 59.01

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

Thanks for that. I admit to buying the narrative. Part of that is because my nearest city of any substance is Portland, and it's not especially violent. SF does look more violent compared to Portland, but objectively SF is actually just average or less. Lots of big cities are more violent[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

So sorting by Violent Crime (Total), we see San Francisco is 37th out of the 100 listed.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're objectively wrong. > San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to police department data. Despite the increase, the number of homicides in San Francisco is well below that of other cities of a similar size, data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association shows. > Indianapolis, for example, witnessed 271 homicides in 2021 and 2…

Thanks for the numbers. On the street except for murder cops won’t even take your report anymore. The numbers reflect nothing in SF and residents know it.

"On the street except for murder cops won’t even take your report anymore."

Completely false and you only have to look at the police crime dashboard to know that. I'm a resident and can say that the numbers track pretty closely with my experience here anyway.

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