Electricity Prices by Country • Hacker News Board

Re: Electricity Prices by Country

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Post by tyingq » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:30 PM UTC

uecker wrote: post #68

yodsanklai wrote: post #46

France seems to be in a sweet spot: low electricity price and low CO2 emissions, thanks to nuclear power?

Household prices are meaningless in this context, because they are artificially kept low in France and sometimes are affected by taxes and fees elsewhere. Here are spot marked prices: https://tradingeconomics.com/france/electricity-price https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/electricity-price

Interesting. In many states in the US, cost per Kw/H is lower for businesses, even very small ones, than for residences.

Re: Electricity Prices by Country

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Post by tfourb » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:33 PM UTC

thallium205 wrote: post #63

tfourb wrote: post #51

If you are asking yourself why prices in Germany are so high: It's mostly the price surge of natural gas after Russia cut off deliveries in retaliation to sanctions in the wake of the war against Ukraine. About 50% of the price per kw/h in Germany is set by an auction system. Electricity providers are bidding at any given point in time to provide energy for the grid. The lowest price per kw/h wins. BUT: because no on…

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Even if you are a connoisseur of conspiracy theories, this comment is bullshit. The pipelines in question actually did not carry any natural gas at the time of the explosion. Both pipelines of Nord Stream 1 were destroyed but deliveries by Russia had been stopped well before that in retaliation to German/EU sanctions. One of the two pipelines of Nord Stream 2 was destroyed, but that project was never activated, due to a decision by Germany's government to cancel certification after Russia's attack on Ukraine.

Re: Electricity Prices by Country

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:36 PM UTC

uecker wrote: post #68

yodsanklai wrote: post #46

France seems to be in a sweet spot: low electricity price and low CO2 emissions, thanks to nuclear power?

Household prices are meaningless in this context, because they are artificially kept low in France and sometimes are affected by taxes and fees elsewhere. Here are spot marked prices: https://tradingeconomics.com/france/electricity-price https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/electricity-price

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Re: Electricity Prices by Country

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Post by perardi » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:42 PM UTC

One little thing that stuck out:

The USA leads the way in terms of household electric usage in the world – an average US household consumes approximately 975 kilowatt-hours of electricity each month, three times more than for example the United Kingdom.

Which got me wondering how big US domiciles are versus those in the UK. Turns out: lot of big-ass houses here in the US.

https://shrinkthatfootprint.com/how-big-is-a-house/

2164 sq. ft vs. 818 sq. ft

Which sure would explain that difference.

Re: Electricity Prices by Country

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Post by mydogmuppet » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:43 PM UTC

Where oh where do these figures come from? UK. I pay toda, domestic tariff, USD 0.42 per pKWh. Plus 5% Vat. That ignores the Standing Charge of USD 0. 56 per day connection charges, plus Vat at 5%.

Re: Electricity Prices by Country

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Post by cbmuser » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:43 PM UTC

tfourb wrote: post #51

If you are asking yourself why prices in Germany are so high: It's mostly the price surge of natural gas after Russia cut off deliveries in retaliation to sanctions in the wake of the war against Ukraine. About 50% of the price per kw/h in Germany is set by an auction system. Electricity providers are bidding at any given point in time to provide energy for the grid. The lowest price per kw/h wins. BUT: because no on…

No, the main reason is Germany shutting down nuclear power plants and replacing them with fossil fuels.

I know that lots of people will argue that wind and solar will lower electricity prices, but since these don’t provide reliable baseload, Germany needs to have lots of fossile power plants in standby.

These doubled structures make the whole system inefficient and expensive.

Re: Electricity Prices by Country

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Post by sintezcs » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:45 PM UTC

It’s 0.04-0.08$ per kWh in Russia

Re: Electricity Prices by Country

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Post by carlosjobim » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:47 PM UTC

tfourb wrote: post #82

thallium205 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Even if you are a connoisseur of conspiracy theories, this comment is bullshit. The pipelines in question actually did not carry any natural gas at the time of the explosion. Both pipelines of Nord Stream 1 were destroyed but deliveries by Russia had been stopped well before that in retaliation to German/EU sanctions. One of the two pipelines of Nord Stream 2 was destroyed, but that project was never activated, due t…

> conspiracy theories

What? The pipeline didn't blow up by itself, so some party had to conspire to blow it up.

Re: Electricity Prices by Country

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Post by Kuinox » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:47 PM UTC

bboygravity wrote: post #77

karussell wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweet spot of a mess I guess: half of the 56 nuclear plants were offline (and some still are) due to maintenance or too warm cooling water in Summer. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/03/edf-to-redu...

Forgot to do maintenance in France so now all nuclear is bad?

Pushed back due to covid.

Re: Electricity Prices by Country

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Post by cbmuser » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 8:48 PM UTC

pydry wrote: post #62

mpreda wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To think there were nuclear reactors already built and running perfectly fine in Germany. That were closed down presumably for ecological reasons. Burning coal and natural gas instead.

They werent that many to begin with they growing increasingly expensive to run, were coming to the end of their lifespan and Fukushima was a risk that was hard to ignore. It's interesting how Poland's electricity mix has been 80% coal for decades and this passes without comment, but what really enrages some people is a few nuclear power plants in Germany being mostly swapped out with solar and wind energy. Doesnt see…

> They werent that many to begin with they growing increasingly expensive to run, were coming to the end of their lifespan and Fukushima was a risk that was hard to ignore.

That’s simply untrue. Nuclear reactors are permanently maintained and improved, especially in Germany because of §19a Atomgesetz.

Nuclear power plants can run 60 years and longer. The nuclear reactor in Beznau went first online 1969 and it’s still operational. The reactors Germany is shutting down now went online in 1988 and 1989.