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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:58 PM UTC

mathverse wrote: post #67

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

Those that envision utopias will soon realize that their work leads to creation of dystopia. we are headed towards Elysium future with billions of humans competing for scraps.

There’s always the joke about the “Communist Utopia,” but that’s what it was marketed as. The marketing was also so strong people killed their own by the millions to make it happen. It never happened and we remember those eras for atrocities, not Utopian equality.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by welshwelsh » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:58 PM UTC

Beaver117 wrote: post #11

Just hurry up and automate everyone's jobs so we can get UBI

That's not what's going to happen.

To benefit from automation, you need to take the initiative to integrate automation into your own workflow. The idea that someone else will automate your job, but you will somehow benefit is a fantasy.

If we do get UBI, it won't replace lost wages from losing your job. Most of that money will go to the team at your company who set up GPT to do your work and the rest will be distributed among shareholders.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by Entinel » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:58 PM UTC

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

This is a nice thought that isn't going to happen. AI will eliminate jobs and rich people will get richer while also widening the moat so you can't use that same tech to compete.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by kweingar » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:58 PM UTC

avion23 wrote: post #36

avion23 wrote: post #24

The Author proposes to keep worthless jobs. The same argument could be made against compilers or language translaters. This is encapsulated in a sob story. Am I wrong? I would like to hear your counter arguments

Reading that article made me angry because I wasted my time. This is a nice analysis à grace de gpt4: Key facts: 1. Priya is a biomedical data curator in her mid-20s from a poor background in Uttar Pradesh, India. 2. She has a bachelor's degree in Biotechnology and her job involves annotating RNA sequencing data from scientific papers. 3. The author tried using GPT-4 to perform Priya's job and achieved the correct re…

The article is not making an argument. The author is not debating whether we should stop using GPT-4. Calling this fallacious reasoning is a category error.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by alchemist1e9 » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:00 PM UTC

Calavar wrote: post #31

seumars wrote: post #6

>if you’re anxious about GPT4 its probably because you’re a shitty programmer surely this is meant partly tongue-in-cheek?

I experimented with coding with GPT a few times now. GPT is legitimately interesting as an alternative search interface to StackOverflow. I've found that 15 to 45 minutes of searching with Google/StackOverflow can be reduced to just 5 minutes with GPT. But beyond that, it's been very disappointing. Whenever I've tried getting it to write something even slightly non-trivial (i.e. tougher than just copy/pasting from on…

It’s odd how we have such different experiences. As an example yesterday I had GPT4 take an existing python script, clean it up, add timing statistics and progress bars. 10 mins works. Would have taken me probably 1 hour.

I do think you have a point about it being most useful for trivial or boilerplate problems but it’s still very useful as there is always much of that.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by netbioserror » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:00 PM UTC

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that before. We humans are not built for it. We need something valuable to do and most are incapable of summoning valuable ideas and tasks from the ether.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by 10xDev » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:00 PM UTC

jonnycomputer wrote: post #58

10xDev wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During lockdowns the rate of depression and all sorts of mental and physical issues went up. Becoming unemployed may not be the exact same thing as a lockdown but less incentive to get up at a reasonable time or to leave the house would still lead to more overweight, lazy and depressed people.

People were stuck in their homes.

>Becoming unemployed may not be the exact same thing as a lockdown

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by ryanackley » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:00 PM UTC

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

Sure, that would be great but history has shown this is a beautiful but naive pipe dream. It doesn't take into account the ambition and greed of humans and their capacity to exploit others.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by hm-nah » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:00 PM UTC

avion23 wrote: post #40

avion23 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading that article made me angry because I wasted my time. This is a nice analysis à grace de gpt4: Key facts: 1. Priya is a biomedical data curator in her mid-20s from a poor background in Uttar Pradesh, India. 2. She has a bachelor's degree in Biotechnology and her job involves annotating RNA sequencing data from scientific papers. 3. The author tried using GPT-4 to perform Priya's job and achieved the correct re…

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I don’t brake for LLM responses in public forums.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by adnmcq999 » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:01 PM UTC

Priya the worker getting replaced is not a tragedy in any sense other then it prevents Priya the person from helping her family and maybe realizing more lofty ambitions for herself.

We made computers to do our work for us and we are succeeding. But even before GPTs, there were a lot of problems with tech changing what it means to be human.

How much of this even worth fighting?