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The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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Don't be sorry, it's honestly spot on. It's a wonderful exploitation model of how young men (18-30s) think and feel natively. Big risks, big rewards. Legends, folklore, respect. The model was perfect 2000 years ago and finds new manifestations all over the place. Of course, I'm not sure it's a terrible thing. Nobody actually dies, at worst a few years of hard fighting are expended before a "real job" is acquired. The…

I do think the gladiator metaphor is helpful, but I have to add in that software developers/technical people tend to hold a lot of cards in the modern economy. For example, you can work on a startup, take 2 weeks off on a freelance project, and pay your bills for the next 3 months. Not to mention the startup itself will sharpen your skillset raising your value to future employers. I think if anyone is getting screwed…

aridiculous, you're right that devs/tech people hold a lot of cards in the modern economy… they can do all you said and more. But they almost never do. Holding the cards is worthless when you don't know you're playing a game, much less that you have a winning hand already.

That's why most "startup guys and girls" work and scrimp and suffer and sleep under their desks for a minority share in nothing, while VCs (the business types) laugh all the way to the bank.

Because taking outside capital is like forking over your hand of cards AND promising to only play tiddlywinks in the future.

Whoever holds the money, holds the power. Unless the other party wakes up to realize that they don't need the money.

The fact is that for the past decade (and getting better all the time), it costs virtually nothing to start a profitable web-based business. Almost no one truly needs the money men at all. Tech types still think they do, though. They want the security & validation & ease of being handed a great big whack of cash. Which means they end up the person without power.

The amazing thing about developers, designers, teachers & writers is that we not only own the means of production, we carry them with us IN OUR HEADS. We walk around thinking we need to appease the factory owners so we can get to work, but we don't.

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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I think the truth might actually be worse. I don't think that `the startup boom is really a disguised job fair for big corporations`. The dirty little secret is that startup scene is an arena and entrepreneurs are the gladiators. Big lumps of money, that seem imaginary to them are dangled in front of their eyes, and they're introduced to former gladiators that have attained fame and glory and were able to buy their f…

And funding and startups become about the glory, the dream, and not the actual results (e.g. breathing good, solid life into a dream… and making good money).

You might enjoy my essay since we're obviously in agreement: http://unicornfree.com/2011/fuck-glory-startups-are-one-long...

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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Foremski totally missed the real "dirty little secret" regarding acquisitions. Acquisitions are really about control and ownership: Control of IP, control of customer relationships, control of planning, ownership of growth potential. It's placing a bet that ownership is strategically beneficial. Sometimes there's a defensive component. "We bought them for their talent" is the cover story. It maintains the secrecy of…

Yes. And on top of that, another dirty little secret -- when a startup is the fly buzzing around the ear of the big, established company, and it keeps buzzing and buzzing, the big, established company finds it easier to swat than compete with its own buzzing little irritants.

And it's a lot easier to swat a fly after you bought it and locked it down with a vesting agreement. A fly that's running around free might require a chase.

Lots of acquisitions are to destroy or at least undermine a competitor, potential competitor, or other disruption.

Which is why the chest-thumping "change the world!!" "disrupt!!" "free yourself, you caged lion you!!" rhetoric around startups is so sad. The "logical" result is usually the destruction of the startup itself, and the yoking of the founders to an agreement which forces them to stay at a big company -- the company that destroyed or undermined their baby -- in a JOB (cage) for years to get their payoff.

Miserable.

Having met quite a lot of startup founders post-sale (on the conf circuit, in speakers' dinners and green rooms), I can say… I have never met one who was thrilled about the money, and mostly they have struck me as tired, sad, and defeated.

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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This is one of the most ignorant, poorly written articles I've ever seen on Hacker News. it doesn't belong here.

Why is he being downvoted? This is seriously one of the dumbest articles I have ever read.

He's being down voted because it's so easy to call something "ignorant" without backing it up. Just like it's easy to call something "one of the dumbest articles" without backing it up. No argument, no proof, no reasoning… down votes.

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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I think the truth might actually be worse. I don't think that `the startup boom is really a disguised job fair for big corporations`. The dirty little secret is that startup scene is an arena and entrepreneurs are the gladiators. Big lumps of money, that seem imaginary to them are dangled in front of their eyes, and they're introduced to former gladiators that have attained fame and glory and were able to buy their f…

I believe that your metaphor above is correct in getting at some features of the startup world, namely:

1) Many founders are attracted by glory rather than logic.

2) Large companies receive research information from startup successes and failures.

But I don't agree with the gladiator metaphor at all because it implies a degree of deviousness and collusion that isn't present in the startup sphere, and is disingenuous to imply.

Take your example of the king offering $0.5M for the finder of a treasure. Here you imply that his goal of offering the prize is to "give villagers a fake hope" and "inspire the poor".

What if the treasure in reality was just worth $0.6M to him? Then the king might conclude a) if someone had the treasure, he'd be happy to pay $0.5, but b) suppose the cost of finding the treasure via hire at $1M, then it is not worth hiring people to dig it up.

Thus, the king may not decide to hire people to dig this, while happily posting a prize. He doesn't need to have ulterior motives to do this.

Now let's take the economics further. Suppose some people are efficient and other people are not efficient diggers (they're good bakers), and there is no way to observe this beforehand. Then if he hires people to dig, the king will lose money because he's at half efficiency with half bakers and half diggers. If he posts a prize, the efficient diggers will self sort into digging, and the bakers will produce real good.

Our data points are few, and really just 1) and 2), so we can't know for sure companies are being evil (and I don't believe they are). It's a classic case of an underdetermined system.

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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This would be a very penetratingly insightful criticism if you had never heard of Airbnb, Dropbox, Twilio, etc etc. Some people at the current classes of YC and 500 Startups may well find themselves working for AmaGooBookSoft in 4 years, and may that be a happy outcome for all concerned, but you've got to torture the math to come to the conclusion that hiring acquisitions are where most of the money is changing hands…

"you've got to torture the math to come to the conclusion that hiring acquisitions are where most of the money is changing hands." Wait...what? You're cherry-picking the top 10% of startups (maybe the top 1%), and criticizing this guy for torturing math? For every one Dropbox, there are perhaps a handful of others that get aqui-hired, and dozens more that just fail silently. That's just basic VC economics. Maybe the…

Dropbox's last valuation was about $4bn, so if a "handful" of startups have talent acquisitions, which tend to be in the $5 to $50m range, that would confirm his argument.

Re: The 'Startup Boom' is a disguised jobs fair for big corporations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"you've got to torture the math to come to the conclusion that hiring acquisitions are where most of the money is changing hands." Wait...what? You're cherry-picking the top 10% of startups (maybe the top 1%), and criticizing this guy for torturing math? For every one Dropbox, there are perhaps a handful of others that get aqui-hired, and dozens more that just fail silently. That's just basic VC economics. Maybe the…

Dropbox's last valuation was about $4bn, so if a "handful" of startups have talent acquisitions, which tend to be in the $5 to $50m range, that would confirm his argument.

"Maybe the bulk of the money gets transferred to the success stories, but that's little comfort to the hundreds of pretenders to the throne who don't go anywhere."
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