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Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by beebeepka »

throwaway892238 wrote: post #15

You know, we really don't need this disposable culture. Everyone just expects to get a disposable container everywhere they go (in the West, anyway). But we don't need disposable everything. People can carry their own set of utensils, and even their own food packaging; it's not uncommon for people to bring their own tupperwares to restaurants (wrap it in a decorative cloth to be fancy). Restaurants could also give ou…

Man, I have to fight people in bakeries because the majority simply ignore my repeated requests for skipping the plastic bag. Some are fucking mental and simply refuse to comply. Most are incredibly stupid and will never get it. Very few understand immediately.

I think that yes, the main problem is all the entitled fucks demanding "what they paid for"

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by ok123456 »

dangwhy wrote: post #58
tectonic wrote: post #7

Just. Stop. Putting. Teflon. On. Everything. Figuring out what does and does not have PFAS on it to protect my family is exhausting and infuriating. I’ve emailed with manufacturers, sent stuff to labs; basically, no one seems to know how much materials like this are used on every day products.

can someone recommend a pan to make eggs in the morning without sticking or having to put tons of grease.

I use a stainless steel baking pan, line the insides with a foil square, and spray it with a little PAM. Put it in an air fryer for 10 minutes at 178C flip it and do the other side for 2 minutes at 160C.

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by tadfisher »

dangwhy wrote: post #58
tectonic wrote: post #7

Just. Stop. Putting. Teflon. On. Everything. Figuring out what does and does not have PFAS on it to protect my family is exhausting and infuriating. I’ve emailed with manufacturers, sent stuff to labs; basically, no one seems to know how much materials like this are used on every day products.

can someone recommend a pan to make eggs in the morning without sticking or having to put tons of grease.

We use one cast iron pan and just leave it on the stove. It's basically self-cleaning if you use cooking oil, just a wipe with a paper towel will get the burnt bits out from the previous meal.

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by ticviking »

jiggywiggy wrote: post #18
tectonic wrote: post #7

Just. Stop. Putting. Teflon. On. Everything. Figuring out what does and does not have PFAS on it to protect my family is exhausting and infuriating. I’ve emailed with manufacturers, sent stuff to labs; basically, no one seems to know how much materials like this are used on every day products.

It's not just teflon. It's most likely also going to be it's successors. Its going to deemed safe for a while till it's not. Most properties desired while at the same time being cheap and durable will leak and will not play nice and with our cells or hormone system. Especially because the goal of most of these chemical is to be cheaper the cheap. (Otherwise we would just use glass)

Simple clay and glass would work better but cost more and require more careful handling. Both of those prevent cost optimizers from considering them

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by crazygringo »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #62
dangwhy wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

can someone recommend a pan to make eggs in the morning without sticking or having to put tons of grease.

You don't need tons of grease, you just need the correct technique.

To make fried eggs in a non-nonstick pan? Of course you do. You need enough so it doesn't stick. There no technique that can rescue egg stuck to a pan.

The thing is, any more oil than that just stays in the pan. Fried eggs don't absorb oil.

So put plenty of oil in the pan, because it won't wind up on your plate. There's zero reason to skimp, otherwise you'll just get eggs that stick.

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by fhackenberger »

dangwhy wrote: post #58
tectonic wrote: post #7

Just. Stop. Putting. Teflon. On. Everything. Figuring out what does and does not have PFAS on it to protect my family is exhausting and infuriating. I’ve emailed with manufacturers, sent stuff to labs; basically, no one seems to know how much materials like this are used on every day products.

can someone recommend a pan to make eggs in the morning without sticking or having to put tons of grease.

You can create a perfect non-sticky surface on cast iron pans like this:

- clean well with strong soap and a metal sponge until it's one smooth silver surface

- put a few drops of flax oil on a paper and rub the pan with it (also inner sides)

- take off all excessive oil with a dry kitchen paper

- remove any non-metal handles from the pan

- open your windows

- heat your oven to the max and put the pan in for about 20 minutes

- repeat about 5 times

After using the pan, wipe with a kitchen paper. Maybe a little bit of warm water, better not. Never any soap.

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by modzu »

542458 wrote: post #78
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we cam have a country-wide system of reusable packaging that you can get from any takeaway, abd can return to any takeawatly for a refund

I somewhat agree, but it's probably more complex than that - We have a country-wide system of reusable aluminum and glass containers that can be returned for refund and a significant portion of the population can't be bothered and just chucks them in the trash (or worse, the gutter). Lots of people don't respond to incentives well.

i mean the refund has been like 10 cents since 1965, the incentive isn't what it used to be

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by ChancyChance »

tome wrote: post #68
ChancyChance wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dr Tung FTW! https://drtungs.com/products/92-smart-floss.html

What do you mean? Dr Tung's is listed under '“Not Our Favorite” Tooth Floss Brands' and considered to contain PFAS (although there appears to be some dispute in the comments).

wait what? what article are you reading? DR Tungs site says "All our floss is free of PTFE and PFAS (polyfluoroalkyl substances)."

Re: Compostable fast-food packaging can emit volatile PFAS

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Post by crazygringo »

dangwhy wrote: post #58
tectonic wrote: post #7

Just. Stop. Putting. Teflon. On. Everything. Figuring out what does and does not have PFAS on it to protect my family is exhausting and infuriating. I’ve emailed with manufacturers, sent stuff to labs; basically, no one seems to know how much materials like this are used on every day products.

can someone recommend a pan to make eggs in the morning without sticking or having to put tons of grease.

If you don't want a non-stick pan?

Just use a stainless steel pan and a pat of butter.

There's no option to not use fat/oil if you don't want non-stick.

Cast-iron is not a great choice for eggs because it holds too much heat, so if your temperature goes too high up you can't bring it back down quick enough and your eggs will crisp/burn. And both cast-iron and carbon steel are a pain to maintain (keep seasoned and avoid rust). (Cast iron is ideal for other uses though, particularly searing meat, where holding heat is the main feature.)

Also, the idea that a cast-iron (or carbon steel) patina is somehow non-stick is a myth that keeps getting repeated. It's better than the raw metal (and therefore quite necessary for those materials) but it's nothing like an actual non-stick pan. Nowhere even close. And you still always need a normal amount of oil for cooking in them, in fact just for maintaining the patina.

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