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The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Looks like the media has chosen Sam Altman as the next Elon Musk. This makes sense. He perfectly fits their cliche of a socially-awkward technologist, and he's trusting (foolish?) enough to make complex nuanced statements in public, which they can easily mine for out-of-context clickbait and vilification fodder.

What would make him "socially-awkward"?

Never forget the time he wore sneakers to the Ritz.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really a fan of openAI, but I think we're seeing the classic mistake of confusing product with technology. Steve Jobs / Apple didn't anything you'd call new ideas either (obvious cliche but so is the criticism). It's execution and design once the tech reaches a certain level

It’s a good comparison. And once again tech enthusiasts are confused and outraged that the product people are getting credit for tech they didn’t invent. Once again missing the forest that people buy products, not tech.

There’s an awful lot of judgement, engineering and technique that goes into a really well thought out product. It’s often deeply underestimated, and culture makes a huge difference in execution. Bing/Sydney came out after ChatGPT, based on exactly the same tech, but was hot garbage.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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> The goal, the company said, was to avoid a race toward building dangerous AI systems fueled by competition and instead prioritize the safety of humanity. > “You want to be there first and you want to be setting the norms,” he said. “That’s part of the reason why speed is a moral and ethical thing here.” Clearly having either not learned or ignored the lessons from Black Mirror and 1984, which is that others will co…

Do we have the capability for advanced socialism? Because I recall all the smartest economists circa 2021 saying inflation wasn't a thing, it's transient, it's only covid affected supply chains. In reality we are in an broad sticky inflation crisis not seen since the 70s, which may be turning into a regional banking crisis.

It's difficult to believe we have reached advanced socialism capabilities, and all of the forecasting that would require, when we don't even understand the basics of forecasting inflation 1-2 years out.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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AI is not true AI.. at the moment. ChatGPT is inherently biased by its developers, which means at least half the population may not trust its answers. For true AI he will have to give it autonomy, and I'm more interested if Altman is ready to live with an AI he cannot control.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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OpenAI/ChatGPT seem to be very creative based on variations it can make on “things” that already exist. I’m just curious if we see AI being truly creative and making something “new”. Perhaps everything is based on something though, and that’s a rough explanation for this creativity. Maybe AI’s true creativity can come from the input prompts of its “less intelligent”, but more flexibly creative users.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re dystopian fictions, ie. examples of what not to do. But experience has shown that the real-world often recreates dystopian visions by example. So trying to be the first to show something in a well-meaning way can nonetheless have unfortunate consequences once the example is copied.

Tell me, are the dystopian fictions that represent socialism or communism as bad, just as reasonable? Then following up with whatever your answer is: Why are you picking and choosing which fictions are reasonable? Let's dispel the notion that artists and writers are more aware and in tune with humanity than other humans.

1984's Oceania is at least as Stalinist as it is anything else.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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There's tons of extremely effective marketing around who this guy is, what he stands for - and so I'd instead look at what he's done. He took a non-profit intended to offset the commercial motives driving AI development, and turned it into a for profit closely tied to Microsoft. I think he's an extremely shrewd executive and salesman, but nothing he's done suggests any altruistic motivations - that part always seems to be just marketing, and always way down the road.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really a fan of openAI, but I think we're seeing the classic mistake of confusing product with technology. Steve Jobs / Apple didn't anything you'd call new ideas either (obvious cliche but so is the criticism). It's execution and design once the tech reaches a certain level

I've heard Altman (on the Lex Friedman podcast) and Sundar Pichai (on the Hard Fork podcast) say things to this degree. The thing that OpenAI really managed to crack was building a great product in ChatGPT and finding a good product market fit for LLMs.

What's the product market fit for LLMs, and how does OpenAI fill it?

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re dystopian fictions, ie. examples of what not to do. But experience has shown that the real-world often recreates dystopian visions by example. So trying to be the first to show something in a well-meaning way can nonetheless have unfortunate consequences once the example is copied.

Tell me, are the dystopian fictions that represent socialism or communism as bad, just as reasonable? Then following up with whatever your answer is: Why are you picking and choosing which fictions are reasonable? Let's dispel the notion that artists and writers are more aware and in tune with humanity than other humans.

>Then following up with whatever your answer is: Why are you picking and choosing which fictions are reasonable?

This is arguing in bad faith. You don't care what their answer will be, you have decided that they are absolutely picking and choosing, and will still accuse them of as much even if their answer to your first question is, "Yes".

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

#90
post #8

OpenAI getting rich now everyone wants a piece and everyone fighting over it like a billion dollar inheretence fight. In a round about way, if GPT5 is nearly as advertised, watch the govt swoop in under national security guise

Undoubtedly OpenAI already has some very close ties and/or contracts with the DoD.

Any evidence for this, or are you just assuming that it's the case?
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