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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by jamespo »

goosedragons wrote: post #60
bleep_bloop wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any 13" laptops on the market with more than 4 ports? None that come to my mind. My macbook air has only 2 x USB C and I've never come across a situation where I needed more. For a 13" 4 ports is more than most people require and it wouldn't make sense for a small start up to only target extremely niche use cases.

4 ports total or 4 USB C ports? A ThinkPad X13 has two USB C, two USB A and an HDMI port. Not that hard to use all of them without a hub. One USB C for power, USB A for keyboard/mouse, HDMI for monitor and the other USB C for external SSD.

Wired mouse & keyboard? No thanks, or if you do much nicer to have them plugged into a usb c screen.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by Snuupy »

for the 16":

- I would love an option to have upwards firing speakers where flex/numpad space goes instead (one on each side).

- please improve the bass in the speakers. according to notebookcheck's review, framework speakers have poor/near 0 bass output.

- please offer either a 1080p or 4k screen option on the 16". 1440p-ish screens with DPI scaling hackery is no fun and often leads to blurry UIs.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by asymmetric »

Leimi wrote: post #19

This is starting to be a really interesting choice compared to sticking to thinkpads. The dream would be to have 6 expansion cards in the laptop 13. 4 really is a bummer for a work laptop, it's definitely not enough for me… And while you can easily carry other expansion cards and switch at will, it's kinda like carrying adapters, you easily forget them.

For me the main difference (and comparative advantage of ThinkPads) is the extended, on-site warranty options.

For a work laptop, I can't wait for a replacement part to arrive from who knows where, I need a technician next day at my place.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by cduzz »

goosedragons wrote: post #60
bleep_bloop wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any 13" laptops on the market with more than 4 ports? None that come to my mind. My macbook air has only 2 x USB C and I've never come across a situation where I needed more. For a 13" 4 ports is more than most people require and it wouldn't make sense for a small start up to only target extremely niche use cases.

4 ports total or 4 USB C ports? A ThinkPad X13 has two USB C, two USB A and an HDMI port. Not that hard to use all of them without a hub. One USB C for power, USB A for keyboard/mouse, HDMI for monitor and the other USB C for external SSD.

In the distant past I was of the "need more ports" camp, but with the advent of USB C hubs that have power pass through. One thing to plug into the computer. They're cheap enough that I've got one at my "normal" workstation area (with an external keyboard, printer, external monitor, printer, power supply, and wired ethernet) and another in my laptop bag that's got basically the same.

I've had lots of experiences of a laptop festooned with nubs getting caught / smashed in such a way (from normal in/out of the bag or being put down hard on an end) that the plastic shells or cables get destroyed and I have to fish bits of usb jack out of the laptop.

After a decade (it feels like, anyhow) the USB-C promise seems real.

(edited to add power supply to list of things on the "home" usb hub)

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by hr2016 »

cduzz wrote: post #80
Leimi wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly I feel like trackpoints are really end of life and I wouldn't be surprised if Lenovo ditched them entirely soon. It seems they keep it only to please the tiny but vocal minority of tinkerers that we are. But we mostly buy old, second hand thinkpads. And as keyboards get thinner, trackpoints lose in quality. On linux it seems the software side is also not as good as before with libinput. So I'd be really surpris…

There's a trope in car nerd circles of "We all know the best vehicle is a manual transmission brown diesel station wagon" and then of course these people only buy one that's 10 years old, so at this point no car company makes such a beast new . Pre-covid I'd made do with whatever garbage keyboard and garbage monitor $job dumped in front of me, but almost by happenstance I ended up with a 16:10 monitor and an IBM M4-1…

>> the best vehicle is a manual transmission brown diesel station wagon

Wow, that's exactly what I own. Manual, diesel, brown, station wagon. 10 years old. Bought new though, still going strong. =)

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by dakial1 »

I wonder if there is a market for a framework gaming laptop. Really hope there is.

Also, on another note, I've read this engadget article about how other companies tried to build an upgradeable laptop and failed but I see Framework as a different kind of beast for one simple reason. This is their only value proposition, they don't have an alternative. In a very "Innovator's Dilemma" kind of. way, Dell and other big manufacturers have their main lines with higher margins and/or volume that really drives their attention and money, so any new innovation that takes more than 1 to 3 years to mature gets cut pretty fast. For Framework is kind a kind of "burn the ships" moment, they don't have anything else to turn to, so they have to keep pushing. I really hope they shine (and don't get acquired)!

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by Otek »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #65
fbn79 wrote: post #3

Playing with configurator what surprise me is that a Windows 11 Pro licence cost 259 Euro. Micro$oft still make a lot of money with windonws =)

>what surprise me is that a Windows 11 Pro licence cost 259 Euro. Micro$oft still make a lot of money with windonws =) Not really. Windows 11 Pro retail is $199 today which might sound steep but in comparison Windows XP Pro retail was $299 in 2001 which adjusted for inflation would be $500 today. Ouch! Windows 95 retailed at a whopping $205 in '95 or ~$400 in today's money, while a retail Win 11 Home is $139 now. So…

But Microsoft is making now money from tracking and they didn’t do that in ‘95

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by bootloop »

unwind wrote: post #58

Framework have a very ... localization-interested website, that can be confusing some times in my opinion. The link here seems to go to the French (hence the /fr/fr/ in the URI) version of the blog post, but I still got to see it in English. Confusing. Here [1] is the non-localized version. [1]: https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop-16

I guess its because they didn't translate the article into french. What I also find confusing is that when you change the language, the controls are still in the original language. I can guess what button is for changing the language but still not a great design.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by rsynnott »

Aachen wrote: post #43
notRobot wrote: post #22

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You're wrong. It's a 16:10 screen. CEO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35280523

Ugh. After over a decade of work, everything was finally adapted to or made for 16:9, now they're going after hipster ratios? Not a deal breaker but a bummer. Interesting that phones are going the other way, so now we can enjoy letterboxes on both platforms and not be able to reach the notification drawer. What was so wrong with 16:9 that we needed another competing standard that's just slightly off...

> now they're going after hipster ratios?

Eh? 16:10 is a pretty standard ratio; all Apple laptops have used it since about 2007, for instance (until very recently, when they've gone a little taller) but also many other vendors (usually on the high end; for whatever reason manufacturers do tend to treat taller than 16:9 as a bit of a premium option). It was also effectively the standard ratio for widescreen desktop monitors for most of the noughties.

16:9 on a small laptop screen really is _very_ tight; honestly I kind of miss 4:3 laptop screens but that ship has definitively sailed.

Is your concern about video? Watching TV is probably not most peoples' major use of laptops, and in any case a lot of content is made at ratios _wider_ than 16:9 these days.

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