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Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by elric »

kalnins wrote: post #68

There is an interesting side effect here. Salaries throughout EU vary a lot. This will give people chance to better understand the salary differences between countries.

I doubt it. It'll be apples and oranges. Can't even compare salaries between companies in many countries because a salary isn't expressed as a single amount. It's a combination of some gross periodic amount, a random collection of benefits which differs from employer to employer, and even "the same" benefits can have radically different values (e.g. health insurance from provider A instead of provider B).

There's no way for candidates to derive the real value from such a complex offer, let alone compare it to other offers. I imagine employers would like to keep it that way.

When comparing across countries, you'll also have to factor in how things are taxed in said countries and what you get in return for those taxes.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

toldyouso2022 wrote: post #64

The whole women perspective is ridicolous. I subscribe to the pov that there is no pay gap between sexes sprouting from hateful discrimination. But this will be great for Italy because a huge problem of our labor market is that salary is considered something dirty. This law may create a better culture. I hope so.

> But this will be great for Italy because a huge problem of our labor market is that salary is considered something dirty

Same for Cyprus and Poland.

I am very open about my salary on purpose, and i keep telling my friends to talk about theirs with their co workers at least so that they don’t get the short end of the stick.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by piva00 »

oblio wrote: post #59

It's incredible how many people here are against transparency and a better labor market providing more information to the supplier side. Lord knows companies have probably 80% of the leverage in the job market. Tech people are doomed not by AIs, but by lack of solidarity, raw greed and lack of long term vision.

The lack of worker solidarity in tech is really astounding.

I've been in this industry for almost 20 years and have been trying to instill some sense of it in every workplace I worked. Some decades ago it really seemed that tech workers felt like they were just tech moguls that hadn't made it yet, any kind of labour protection was looked at as "stifling innovation".

Only lately I've seen people listen to me when I bring up that if you depend on a salary you're on the same side as 99% of other people, no matter you have a run away of 6 months saved, if you lose your job for 6-12 months and will be fucked by it you should have solidarity with others in the same spot or worse.

Trying to bring up class struggles used to be mocked in the tech scene, I feel that people are slowly waking up though, the latest layoffs definitely got me surprised about some folks I know finally understanding what that means.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by atoav »

anhner wrote: post #67
oblio wrote: post #59

It's incredible how many people here are against transparency and a better labor market providing more information to the supplier side. Lord knows companies have probably 80% of the leverage in the job market. Tech people are doomed not by AIs, but by lack of solidarity, raw greed and lack of long term vision.

I don't even understand how they would be against something that benefits them personally. I wonder if it's the mentality that "one day" they would become the IT moguls that own one of these companies, and wouldn't want this to disadvantage them?

Narcissism. [polemic rant incoming]

They believe they are exceptional and deserve even higher pay than the ones listed, that the leopards-eating-peoples-faces-party won't eat their faces if they vote for it, that they are just temporarily embarrassed billionaires in a bit of a ruffle and golden times are just around the corner, they believe that they are better off if their surroundings are worse off, that the invisible hand of the market will fix everything except when it is them that suffer within the market, that is when the government needs to step in. The idea is vampirism, the polar opposite of Karma. Take as much as you can, kick down when you gained an slight angle on others, always priorize winning over any set of consistent principles, have a flexible relationship with the truth and underline aspects of it in inconsistent ways, as your goal is not to be truthful, but to win over others. Everything is a zero-sum-game, others having it good means they took something from you.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by adrianN »

elric wrote: post #81
kalnins wrote: post #68

There is an interesting side effect here. Salaries throughout EU vary a lot. This will give people chance to better understand the salary differences between countries.

I doubt it. It'll be apples and oranges. Can't even compare salaries between companies in many countries because a salary isn't expressed as a single amount. It's a combination of some gross periodic amount, a random collection of benefits which differs from employer to employer, and even "the same" benefits can have radically different values (e.g. health insurance from provider A instead of provider B). There's no…

"Health insurance" is not a benefit in any EU country that I know of. Are there any EU countries where health insurance is as messed up as in the US?

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by [deleted] »

adrianN wrote: post #85
elric wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. It'll be apples and oranges. Can't even compare salaries between companies in many countries because a salary isn't expressed as a single amount. It's a combination of some gross periodic amount, a random collection of benefits which differs from employer to employer, and even "the same" benefits can have radically different values (e.g. health insurance from provider A instead of provider B). There's no…

"Health insurance" is not a benefit in any EU country that I know of. Are there any EU countries where health insurance is as messed up as in the US?

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Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by adrianN »

bdw5204 wrote: post #3

From the article, it isn't clear whether a pay range of minimum wage to 1 million euros would be in compliance with this new rule. This is an actual tactic that many US employers have used to follow the letter but not the spirit of salary transparency laws.

If you want to hire only desperate people that might be a good strategy.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by moju »

adrianN wrote: post #85
elric wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. It'll be apples and oranges. Can't even compare salaries between companies in many countries because a salary isn't expressed as a single amount. It's a combination of some gross periodic amount, a random collection of benefits which differs from employer to employer, and even "the same" benefits can have radically different values (e.g. health insurance from provider A instead of provider B). There's no…

"Health insurance" is not a benefit in any EU country that I know of. Are there any EU countries where health insurance is as messed up as in the US?

If is offered in a lot of tech companies in Ireland, and at least some in the UK.

It isn't needed in the same way, but it makes a lot of things easier. Get seen faster, get money back from visits, etc.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by blakblakarak »

adrianN wrote: post #85
elric wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. It'll be apples and oranges. Can't even compare salaries between companies in many countries because a salary isn't expressed as a single amount. It's a combination of some gross periodic amount, a random collection of benefits which differs from employer to employer, and even "the same" benefits can have radically different values (e.g. health insurance from provider A instead of provider B). There's no…

"Health insurance" is not a benefit in any EU country that I know of. Are there any EU countries where health insurance is as messed up as in the US?

In France you get 'top up' insurance called a mutuelle (the state pays the first 70% - 80% of most healthcare costs - chronic conditions are paied 100% by the state). A basic mutuelle is obligatory at all jobs, but many will provide a decent one (that includes glasses, advanced dental work, hearing aids etc) as a benefit.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by Majestic121 »

adrianN wrote: post #85
elric wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it. It'll be apples and oranges. Can't even compare salaries between companies in many countries because a salary isn't expressed as a single amount. It's a combination of some gross periodic amount, a random collection of benefits which differs from employer to employer, and even "the same" benefits can have radically different values (e.g. health insurance from provider A instead of provider B). There's no…

"Health insurance" is not a benefit in any EU country that I know of. Are there any EU countries where health insurance is as messed up as in the US?

In France you usually get a mutuelle through your company, helping to pay the extra-costs for things not reimbursed or not fully (fancy glasses, psychologist, this kind of things)

Some companies present it as a benefit, typically if using Alan

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