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A eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece

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Re: A eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece

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The article makes it sound like Apple just used Dark Sky as a backend and threw everything else away. In fact it seems that they inspired heavily from Dark Sky's UI as well. In my opinion iOS now has a very clever and polished Weather app that contains many of the features mentioned in the article. Some screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/GYP3ym8

You’re correct. I used Dark Sky for years and switched to the default iOS app when Apple bought Dark Sky and added all of the functionality to Weather.

I did prefer the design of Dark Sky, since the data was larger and more visually separate from the background, allowing it to be more readable at a glance. But I found that after the big update they had essentially the same functionality and the same UI.

Re: A eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece

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Does anyone know why apple acquired them just to shut it down? It doesn’t seem like the weather data was unique - what was unique was its user focussed design. To acquire it just to shut it down would have only made sense to me had they actually folded the design of dark sky into their weather app and put their founders in charge of the app. Doesn’t seem like that happened

The weather data actually was pretty unique in that a lot of the rain / snow predictions were based on visually analysing the satellite imagery. I'd understand buying it just for that reason, but to then seemingly leave that out of the stock weather app seems bizarre. (I'm guessing they haven't ported that to the stock app as the stock app is dreadful at predicting imminent rain)

Re: A eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece

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post #8

It was a masterpiece. Apple deleting Dark Sky something I will never forgive them for. Maybe not enough to make me switch phones, but enough to make me look elsewhere when needing peripheral items. The statement that Dark Sky features were incorporated into the native weather app was an insult. I know I sound dramatic talking about a weather app, but it was in a class of its own and nothing else is remotely comparabl…

To make matters worse, Apple killed off the web version too, and didn't replace it with anything.

The Dark Sky website was brilliant as well. It loaded quickly, wasn't covered in ads, and the UX was comparable to their app.

I haven't really found anything to replace it with yet. I've defaulted to weather.gov, but the UX isn't really there yet (it's great for storms, or when you need to drill down into good data though).

Re: A eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I tried to install this on Android and was met with "unable to connect to server." I wonder if Carrot is using the Dark Sky API.

Carrot lets you pick your data source [1]. One of the options is the Dark Sky API which is still operating until March 31 [2]. [1]: https://support.meetcarrot.com/weather/ [2]: https://darksky.net/dev

Maybe on Apple devices. There's no option on Android devices to choose the API. Just a button to refresh and another that gives witty replies if you press it.

Re: A eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece

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post #51

Related: Weather apps could in general be better, not just in terms of visualization. One thing which always annoys me is how they handle rain predictions. They give "probabilities" for rain. But what do those mean? The probability that it rains for at least one minute in the given time frame? And with at least x mm/inches of rain coming down? And isn't a low probability of short and weak rain totally different from…

Just to hop on this, the standard is counter intuitive for rain probability. I'm annoyed, but also fascinated by how much it "makes sense" when I have read about it, but it also "makes no sense" when I just want to know: should I get my jacket? :)

Loose definition (with errors and assumptions, but helps some without getting into actual probability math):

If it says "30%" - many of us have heard "30% chance of showers". It is NOT "30% chance of showers"; it actually is "100% percent chance of rain, over 30% of the area, within a given time, of a particular amount of rain."

Which is STILL (to me), difficult for the average person to comprehend.

Copying and pasting from Weather.com (linked PDF - https://www.weather.gov/media/pah/WeatherEducation/pop.pdf)

PRECIPITATION PROBABILITY The probability of precipitation forecast is one of the most least understood elements of the weather forecast. The probability of precipitation has the following features: ..... The likelihood of occurrence of precipitation is stated as a percentage ..... A measurable amount is defined as 0.01" (one hundredth of an inch) or more (usually produces enough runoff for puddles to form) ..... The measurement is of liquid precipitation or the water equivalent of frozen precipitation ..... The probability is for a specified time period (i.e., today, this afternoon, tonight, Thursday) ..... The probability forecast is for any given point in the forecast area To summarize, the probability of precipitation is simply a statistical probability of 0.01" inch of more of precipitation at a given area in the given forecast area in the time period specified. Using a 40% probability of rain as an example, it does not mean (1) that 40% of the area will be covered by precipitation at given time in the given forecast area or (2) that you will be seeing precipitation 40% of the time in the given forecast area for the given forecast time period. Let's look at an example of what the probability does mean. If a forecast for a given county says that there is a 40% chance of rain this afternoon, then there is a 40% chance of rain at any point in the county from noon to 6 p.m. local time. This point probability of precipitation is predetermined and arrived at by the forecaster by multiplying two factors: Forecaster certainty that precipitation will form or move into the area X Areal coverage of precipitation that is expected (and then moving the decimal point two places to the left) Using this, here are two examples giving the same statistical result: (1) If the forecaster was 80% certain that rain would develop but only expected to cover 50% of the forecast area, then the forecast would read "a 40% chance of rain" for any given location. (2) If the forecaster expected a widespread area of precipitation with 100% coverage to approach, but he/she was only 40% certain that it would reach the forecast area, this would, as well, result in a "40% chance of rain" at any given location in the forecast area.

Re: A eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece

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post #8

It was a masterpiece. Apple deleting Dark Sky something I will never forgive them for. Maybe not enough to make me switch phones, but enough to make me look elsewhere when needing peripheral items. The statement that Dark Sky features were incorporated into the native weather app was an insult. I know I sound dramatic talking about a weather app, but it was in a class of its own and nothing else is remotely comparabl…

Can I just piggyback on this to shit on the iOS Weather app for a moment? Whoever designed it doesn't understand the concept of daily max/min temperatures, and the daily low presented in the app is the lowest during that calendar day, rather than the forecast overnight low following the day. It drives me absolutely mad, because I can never reliably determine how cold it will get overnight without going into the hourl…

Piggybacking your piggyback, that graph for the temperature throughout the day looks pretty but damn terrible UX in comparison to dark sky. Hourly temperatures/rain/etc gives me everything I need at a glance without having to drag my finger to the time I am interested in.

Re: A eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece

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Does anyone know why apple acquired them just to shut it down? It doesn’t seem like the weather data was unique - what was unique was its user focussed design. To acquire it just to shut it down would have only made sense to me had they actually folded the design of dark sky into their weather app and put their founders in charge of the app. Doesn’t seem like that happened

Did Apple include the local weather prediction in their app? That was the other impressive part of Dark Sky. The combination of prediction and design was why Dark Sky was so good.

I use Android and never used the nice app, but used the predictions in other apps. Knowing when it was going to rain was really handy. Apps now their own predictions but not as good.

Re: A eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece

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post #17
post #8

It was a masterpiece. Apple deleting Dark Sky something I will never forgive them for. Maybe not enough to make me switch phones, but enough to make me look elsewhere when needing peripheral items. The statement that Dark Sky features were incorporated into the native weather app was an insult. I know I sound dramatic talking about a weather app, but it was in a class of its own and nothing else is remotely comparabl…

And it wasn't just how it looked either. Dark Sky was a weather app that was actually accurate for what you wanted it for. It really frustrates me that Apple completely killed off the product. I don't know what their problem is, but it seems to me that it would have been no problem to allow the app to continue to exist as a standalone one while supposedly "integrating" it into whatever Apple's weather app is.

>I don't know what their problem is, but it seems to me that it would have been no problem to allow the app to continue to exist as a standalone one while supposedly "integrating" it into whatever Apple's weather app is.

Shot in the dark - Apple wants you to live and die within Apple's ecosystem, using only Apple products. Doesn't matter if they own Dark Sky, it's not "Apple Weather", and that's what they want - iThis, iThat, Apple Something, Mac Whatever. Dark Sky also didn't look or feel like the rest of Apple's products, and they want consistency and are not about to redesign the rest of their software line to fit with Dark Sky's much-loved UI/UX.

Why redo everything you've done when you can just kill off this one little thing and force everyone back over to you?

Re: A eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple also made the underlying API available for both iOS and Android. Someone is free to create a similar app.

> free to create a similar app Only if you sign up for the Apple Developer Program, comply with all their rules and expectations, and not be surprised if they ban you from using it with no explanation whatsoever.

Yes because out of the millions of app submissions that happen every year, you are likely to “be banned” for some arbitrary reason that is not spelled out.

That must be why developing iOS Apps is so unpopular with developers…

Re: A eulogy for Dark Sky, a data visualization masterpiece

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I have moved from Dark Sky to Weather Strip: https://www.weatherstrip.app It does a really nice job of showing me most of what Dark Sky showed, in a similarly easy-to-glance-at format once I spent a little time learning to read its graphs. I think Carrot Weather has a lot of graphs directly ripped off from Dark Sky but the constant attempts to upsell me to a subscription plan while I was playing with it really turned…

I am a big fan of https://merrysky.net/ which is explicitly trying to copy/rescue from the grave the Dark Sky look.
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