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Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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Post by mopsi »

vfclists wrote: post #76
arp242 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sadly the war on Ukraine is lasting much longer because Ukraine has the support of the US, until the US decides that China warrants more attention. ... Sadly? I guess the Ukrainians should just bow over and welcome their new Russian overlords? Or what are you suggesting here? I'm not going to comment on every single example, but in many there is significantly more nuance to most of them as I've explained in some ot…

> ... Sadly? I guess the Ukrainians should just bow over and welcome their new Russian overlords? Or what are you suggesting here? Life for the masses of the people is generally the same no matter who rules them. When this war is over the Ukrainian rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer as it has been in the US for the last 40 years or so. The idea that life for Ukrainians under Russian hegemony will be wo…

> Life for the masses of the people is generally the same no matter who rules them.

Dead wrong. Countries that the Soviet Union occupied in WW2 are a great example of that. They were near or at parity with Western Europe in 1930s, but after 50 years of Soviet occupation, they barely exceeded pre-occupation levels in main economic metrics by the late 1980s. After the Soviet Union collapsed, countries like Lithuania have seen their GDP per capita increase by 10x, approaching Western European levels that they had before. The Russian rule was a sickness that held them back, robbing several generations of economic development and prosperity. I'd rather die in a trench than experience the same Russian-imposed despair, hopelessness and utter poverty what my parents went through.

Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

pphysch wrote: post #74
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ritual phrasing does not make something professional. And the lack of ritual phrasing doesn't make it unprofessional.

Making something about personal feelings, when it is ostensibly not, is textbook unprofessionalism. How can you not see that?

Because sociopaths are without expressive feeling, not professionals? If you've somehow learned, or have been taught, that professionalism means not emoting then you've been taught wrong IMO. Moderation in all things, including lack of emotion.

"I don't feel comfortable leaving pertinent information out of our regulatory filing, even if it's technically not against the law to do so."

Letting another person you are working with know that you are uncomfortable is the polite way to enforce personal boundaries in a professional, or personal, setting.

Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

psychphysic wrote: post #72
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"All I'm hearing is NATO military good guys, everyone else evil." This is not rational. It's an emotional interpretation of what was written.

Yes just a coincidence everyone in the thread seems okay with NATO national intelligence and military submitting patches to Linux. But definitely Russian, North Koreans and Iranians shouldn't. It's like I'm stuck in a Top Gun movie...

From what I read in the thread you were the one bringing up NATO intelligence and military patch submissions. And you did it in a context of saying that from what you gather even people from non-aligned countries would be banned from submitting to the Linux kernel, too.

Perhaps other people in this thread also think it's problematic that any military or intelligence agency submits patches. But that wasn't what the post is about. It's about a Russian military-associated company. And that's what most of the comments I read were commenting about.

If you want to channel the conversation to your hobbyhorse you can, and did. But that doesn't mean the people who respond negatively to your comments don't agree in general with you. It seems to me that national militaries should be maintaining their own kernels. And just for precautionary purposes intelligence agencies/companies (whether national or private sector) should be generally banned from kernel submits. Bug reports and exploit reports are another thing, but they are too motivated to insert backdoors and exploits due to the nature of their business.

Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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Post by arp9000 »

kmac_ wrote: post #47
klntsky wrote: post #30

In case you didn't know that, Baikal processors are made specifically for russian military and have no civilian use.

It's worth to add that Baikal Electronics is sanctioned by USA, EU, UK and banned to use ARM. So "feeling uncomfortable accepting the patch" is a nice euphemism in that case.

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Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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Post by zaktoo2 »

arp242 wrote: post #12
vfclists wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't any of the major US companies involved with Linux have huge contracts with the DoD? Didn't IBM the current owner of Redhat supply equipment to the Nazis which was used to document and track Jews? By the way who are the "We" in "We don't feel comfortable accepting patches from or relating to hardware produced by your organization."?

I don't know who the "we" is; you have to ask the person who sent that message. Presumably it's the people responsible for that code. I explicitly mentioned IBM's involvement in the holocaust. But that's a historical event; not an on-going one. You can trace the genealogy of almost everyone an everything to something evil if you go back far enough. I think comparing the Russian and US military is a false equivalence.…

You're right. The US has murdered far more innocents and invaded many more countries in the last 50 years than Russia has in its long existence. Introspection is sorely lacking around here.
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