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The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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Out of curiosity, what are popular lunch alternatives from other countries that are similarly quick and easy to sandwiches, but healthier? Would selfishly love some ideas to eat better lunches.

Beans!

You can cook them up in large batches, they take all sorts of flavors and ingredients well, and are very satisfying as a lunch.

Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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Tortillas are low calorie (100-150 calories), most likely better for you than bread. I guess it depends how many you eat, and if they're fried.

The flour tortillas used for wraps and burritos are 300-500 calories. A small flour tortilla will be in the range you listed and a taco sized corn tortilla is around 50.

A Mission sandwich wrap is only 210, and there are more health-oriented brands out there. Even their low-carb line is only 80 calories.

https://www.missionfoods.com/products/original-wraps/

Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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It's not so much demonising as knowing most people eat too many carbs, they're in everything so if you cut down you're probably still eating enough. I do eat vegetables, nuts and seeds, I just don't really consider those "carbs" I guess. You are clearly an advanced nutritionist far beyond my level of knowledge so I apologise for using the wrong terminology.

> It's not so much demonising as knowing most people eat too many carbs That's not accurate. Complex carbs (e.g. beans) are the foundation of longevity, and most people don't eat enough of them.

If you are counting beans as complex carbs that's a pretty easy statement to make. But most people are referring to whole grain wheat or wild rice or etc which are only a marginal improvements over their alternatives.

Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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This article references salt consumption multiple times. I thought that was a myth of the past. Salt consumption has almost zero to do with blood pressure. IIRC, it's primarily based on eating more calories than one burns. As always, eat less, move more. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/its-time-to-end-t...

> I thought that was a myth of the past. Salt consumption has almost zero to do with blood pressure.

Not accurate. Salt affects different people differently. But for many people, it raises their blood pressure substantially, but only transiently, much like caffeine.

For most people the root cause of high blood pressure is going to be weight or lack of exercise, absent other risk factors. So if your morning blood is normally 100 / 60, then reasonable quantities of salt aren't going to raise your blood pressure enough for long enough to cause vascular damage. But if your baseline blood pressure is closer to pre-hypertensive or worse, then eating too much salt is going to raise your blood pressure enough to cause artery damage, and eventually heart disease.

Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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> Twenty years later, a turkey sandwich contained about 820 calories. Not sure where they got those numbers from. Just for comparison - in England, where many people eat sandwiches every day, the range is more like 300-500 for a supermarket sandwich. The meat is processed, but chicken is a fairly popular option, and the bread is thinner and less sweet. Really the main takeaway is to reduce your bread. Carbs are terri…

500 calories is not an unreasonable amount of calories at all for a lunch type meal.

Even if you had 500 for breakfast, then lunch, then 1000 for dinner, that's only 2k which pretty close to a typical BMR for an adult male.

The problem is the quality of nutrients. If all those 2000 calories were packed in with lots of fibre, and had a good ratio of protein/healthy fats/carbs that's likely to be enough to keep you from snacking a bunch in the evenings and between meals. If it's empty calories, you're likely to end up eating even more.

Also, bread is not as bad as you portray it. Proper brown whole grain bread can have as much as 20% protein as a percentage of total calorie content. That's a very high relative protein content compared to most foods really, other than lean meats and eggs.

Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tortillas are low calorie (100-150 calories), most likely better for you than bread. I guess it depends how many you eat, and if they're fried.

The flour tortillas used for wraps and burritos are 300-500 calories. A small flour tortilla will be in the range you listed and a taco sized corn tortilla is around 50.

Fair enough, I'm not from the US.

Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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Tortillas are low calorie (100-150 calories), most likely better for you than bread. I guess it depends how many you eat, and if they're fried.

? They are made out of the exact same stuff. 2 slices of wonder bread has 140 calories.

Yeah but the majority of bread is NOT 140 calories. In the UK there is literally one loaf of bread that small because they shrunk the size down and added air to it.

Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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> Twenty years later, a turkey sandwich contained about 820 calories. Not sure where they got those numbers from. Just for comparison - in England, where many people eat sandwiches every day, the range is more like 300-500 for a supermarket sandwich. The meat is processed, but chicken is a fairly popular option, and the bread is thinner and less sweet. Really the main takeaway is to reduce your bread. Carbs are terri…

500 calories is not an unreasonable amount of calories at all for a lunch type meal. Even if you had 500 for breakfast, then lunch, then 1000 for dinner, that's only 2k which pretty close to a typical BMR for an adult male. The problem is the quality of nutrients. If all those 2000 calories were packed in with lots of fibre, and had a good ratio of protein/healthy fats/carbs that's likely to be enough to keep you fro…

I meant 500 for the bread alone, then 100 for mayo, 200 for cheese (or 1000 if it's the sandwich in the article, lol), and meat... it adds up.

Re: The American Diet Has a Sandwich Problem

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> It's not so much demonising as knowing most people eat too many carbs That's not accurate. Complex carbs (e.g. beans) are the foundation of longevity, and most people don't eat enough of them.

If you are counting beans as complex carbs that's a pretty easy statement to make. But most people are referring to whole grain wheat or wild rice or etc which are only a marginal improvements over their alternatives.

Yeah I think this is a terminology issue. Nobody is saying "don't eat vegetables". But even brown rice can cause glucose spikes if you eat too much.
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