Hardware microphone disconnect (2021) • Hacker News Board

Re: Hardware microphone disconnect (2021)

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Post by pb7 » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 5:38 PM UTC

t344344 wrote: post #58

pb7 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, what do you propose here? The keys leave imprints because the screen flexes from pressure applied presumably in your bag or similar. MacBooks already have some of the most rigid screens on the market. This is pure physics at play and the imprints come from your oily fingers. What's your suggestion?

Not OP, but I would share my opinion. Too many compromises were made to make macbook thin (unreliable keyboard, cooling, power delivery, battery, ports, non removable SSD...). Apple should make a model that is a bit thicker without those compromises! And my Asus does not have key fingerprints on screen...

Does your Asus have a glass screen? Do you carry it in a backpack where there is pressure on the screen? Mind you, this isn't a well known issue. I've had it happen to me once in a decade of owning and frequently traveling with these and my backpack was stuffed to the point that it might damage the screen.

I disagree about making it thicker. The newest MacBook Pros are already extremely thick and heavy. I don't want to be carrying around a brick just because some people don't wash their hands or clean their keyboards every once in a while.

Re: Hardware microphone disconnect (2021)

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Post by elzbardico » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 5:38 PM UTC

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #62

They have this feature but closing the lid on a MacBook or even putting it to sleep allows Bluetooth devices to stay connected. Heck, a MacBook even while in sleep mode will connect to Bluetooth devices. As far as I can see, this requires a third-party app to fix. Can an application still use the microphone on a Bluetooth device that’s connected?

The problem here is that people that use external keyboards and mice over BT expect to be able to wake their MacBooks connected to external displays even with the lid closed.

Re: Hardware microphone disconnect (2021)

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Post by porbelm » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 5:38 PM UTC

gligorot wrote: post #69

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #62

They have this feature but closing the lid on a MacBook or even putting it to sleep allows Bluetooth devices to stay connected. Heck, a MacBook even while in sleep mode will connect to Bluetooth devices. As far as I can see, this requires a third-party app to fix. Can an application still use the microphone on a Bluetooth device that’s connected?

And you can’t turn bluetooth off without logging in first, a feature which is available for WiFi. Horrendous UX decisions by Apple.

Well if you have the Find My Device functionality enabled, not being able to turn off Bluetooth (and WiFi) is a good thing, since a thief cannot disable location deriving and reporting features by turning them off.

Re: Hardware microphone disconnect (2021)

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #62

They have this feature but closing the lid on a MacBook or even putting it to sleep allows Bluetooth devices to stay connected. Heck, a MacBook even while in sleep mode will connect to Bluetooth devices. As far as I can see, this requires a third-party app to fix. Can an application still use the microphone on a Bluetooth device that’s connected?

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Re: Hardware microphone disconnect (2021)

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Post by tagyro » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

zamfi wrote: post #71

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #62

They have this feature but closing the lid on a MacBook or even putting it to sleep allows Bluetooth devices to stay connected. Heck, a MacBook even while in sleep mode will connect to Bluetooth devices. As far as I can see, this requires a third-party app to fix. Can an application still use the microphone on a Bluetooth device that’s connected?

Not just Bluetooth but Wi-Fi too. It’s literally on the network while asleep and unplugged. Not 100% of the time, but very often. Drains the battery fast too.

This is (most probably) the Power Nap feature that periodically checks for email, update calendar events etc. You can disable Power Nap from the Settings > Battery.

Re: Hardware microphone disconnect (2021)

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Post by jbj » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

supermdguy wrote: post #73

dvirsky wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has to be the most annoying thing in MacOS. My laptop, soundly sleeping in my backpack, takes over my bluetooth headphones all the time.

I hate that this isn't configurable by default, but bluesnooze solved this for me: https://github.com/odlp/bluesnooze

this comments reminds me about owning a mac and installing a github repo to allow mouse scrolling direction to not be tied to touch pad scrolling

[edit] just following up, it was UnnaturalScrollWheels, which have been notarized: https://github.com/ther0n/UnnaturalScrollWheels/releases/tag...

Re: Hardware microphone disconnect (2021)

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Post by vosper » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #62

They have this feature but closing the lid on a MacBook or even putting it to sleep allows Bluetooth devices to stay connected. Heck, a MacBook even while in sleep mode will connect to Bluetooth devices. As far as I can see, this requires a third-party app to fix. Can an application still use the microphone on a Bluetooth device that’s connected?

There’s a thing called Kill Bluetooth on Sleep (KBOS) that works perfectly for me (2015 MacBook Pro)

https://github.com/alb12-la/KBOS

Re: Hardware microphone disconnect (2021)

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Post by porbelm » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 5:40 PM UTC

tagyro wrote: post #77

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #62

They have this feature but closing the lid on a MacBook or even putting it to sleep allows Bluetooth devices to stay connected. Heck, a MacBook even while in sleep mode will connect to Bluetooth devices. As far as I can see, this requires a third-party app to fix. Can an application still use the microphone on a Bluetooth device that’s connected?

That is actually meant to keep the connection to a Bluetooth keyboard/mouse when using the computer in clamshell mode.

...and they could make it so it stays on only of there's an external display connected, but then communication could be disabled by the person who stole your laptop. So Find My would not be able to find and more importantly report a location.

Re: Hardware microphone disconnect (2021)

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Post by andoma » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 5:41 PM UTC

elzbardico wrote: post #82

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #62

They have this feature but closing the lid on a MacBook or even putting it to sleep allows Bluetooth devices to stay connected. Heck, a MacBook even while in sleep mode will connect to Bluetooth devices. As far as I can see, this requires a third-party app to fix. Can an application still use the microphone on a Bluetooth device that’s connected?

The problem here is that people that use external keyboards and mice over BT expect to be able to wake their MacBooks connected to external displays even with the lid closed.

Nah, Makes no sense. I can manually disconnect the BT audio headset while having keyboard and mouse still working fine over BT.

Re: Hardware microphone disconnect (2021)

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Post by joshstrange » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 5:42 PM UTC

gligorot wrote: post #69

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #62

They have this feature but closing the lid on a MacBook or even putting it to sleep allows Bluetooth devices to stay connected. Heck, a MacBook even while in sleep mode will connect to Bluetooth devices. As far as I can see, this requires a third-party app to fix. Can an application still use the microphone on a Bluetooth device that’s connected?

And you can’t turn bluetooth off without logging in first, a feature which is available for WiFi. Horrendous UX decisions by Apple.

> Horrendous UX decisions by Apple.

Is there any OS that offers that by default? I don't remember ever seeing that on Windows or any linux distro I used.