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I splurged for the fanciest dishwasher and it was worth it

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Re: I splurged for the fanciest dishwasher and it was worth it

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This is quite funny from a german perspective. My first thought when I saw the headline was "oh cool a start-up that disrupts dishwashing, I wonder what fancy overpowered tech they throw at the problem". And then it turns out to be a Miele, one of the common go-to brands for household appliances in Germany. Fun fact: Miele is actually one of the few companies that has technicians that carry a ton of spare parts in th…

Dishcraft Robotics tried to disrupt dishwashing. But for restaurants.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/dishcraft-robotics-takes-over-dish...

Re: I splurged for the fanciest dishwasher and it was worth it

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I did a bunch of research last year, replacing mine. I realized broadly there are three tiers of dishwashers, which each tier basically being the same model with more features turned on.

The low end was Mid tier was Finally here were the ones that are $1800+. They tended to dry more quickly and had smoother open/close/slide feel.

I ended up settling on ~$1300 Kitchenaid. It was quieter than my old (cheapo) dishwasher, washes well, and feels nice to use.

I recommend visiting a specialty appliance store and physically interacting with the dishwashers. The Bosch ones surprised me by how unpleasant they were to use for their price. The Kitchenaid felt closer to the $2500 ones.

Re: I splurged for the fanciest dishwasher and it was worth it

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Dishwashers are absolutely an appliance to splurge on. The difference between bottom-tier, adequate-tier and high-end is basically a few hundred bucks. Bottom-tier are loud, don't actually clean dishes well, are ugly, and fail early. Top-tier are near-silent, clean dishes without a pre-rinse, have all sorts of intelligent drawers & racks to fit all your needs, and look great. Some of them even have fancy features lik…

We recently bought a high-end "duel fuel" range. It isn't for vanity, it's for utility and reliability.

6 gas burners including two special-function power-boilers (useful!), and two separate electric ovens. That means we can bake both the protein and the vegetable dish at the same time, while finishing other parts of the meal on the range (like rice or sauce) and cut down on the overall cooking time.

Instead of my wife or I spending an hour to 90 minutes of serial cooking, we can parallelize the cook time and spend 30 to 45 minutes. Worth it, especially since we're eating out less than we ever have, one of the positive changes to come out of the pandemic.

Re: I splurged for the fanciest dishwasher and it was worth it

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Dishwashers are absolutely an appliance to splurge on. The difference between bottom-tier, adequate-tier and high-end is basically a few hundred bucks. Bottom-tier are loud, don't actually clean dishes well, are ugly, and fail early. Top-tier are near-silent, clean dishes without a pre-rinse, have all sorts of intelligent drawers & racks to fit all your needs, and look great. Some of them even have fancy features lik…

Came here to say the same thing.

> Miele is a German brand of luxury appliances with a long-standing reputation for quality, sleek design, and precision-obsessed German engineering.

Is it? Here in Sweden I'd say it's like any other kitchen appliance brand. Seems like they're well with the marketing overseas...

Re: I splurged for the fanciest dishwasher and it was worth it

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Here in the US, luxury appliances are what sell houses. Usually the investment pays handsomly when you go to sell.

> Here in the US, luxury appliances are what sell houses. Usually the investment pays handsomly when you go to sell. You don't take your appliances with you when you move?

You can, but why would you want to?

Re: I splurged for the fanciest dishwasher and it was worth it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a cheap (in every sense) dishwasher with no fancy features that's nearly silent. Whether I put in relatively clean plates or filthy messy pots, it cleans them perfectly. Prior to that I owned a very expensive dishwasher and it was awful. Within the 90 day return window it broke twice. A week before that window closed I returned it and bought the one I have now for a third of the price. Someone I work with has…

Brand name & Model?

The cheap one is a Frigidaire. Not sure of the exact model since I'm not currently near it, but I'm pretty certain it's equivalent to their FDPC4221AS model, if not that exact model. The price was under $400.

The expensive one that broke twice within 90 days was a KitchenAid that cost a bit less than $2000. I don't recall the model number. It had a stainless steel tub, three racks, interior LED lighting, fans to blow heated air to dry dishes, and all sorts of other fancy features, that, in hindsight, don't help clean dishes in the slightest.

The first break: half way through a wash cycle I smelled burning plastic in the kitchen. It seemed like it was strongest near the dishwasher, so I opened it up. As I did, the sound of the water and pumps stopped, allowing me to hear the sound of what would ultimately be the source of the smell: the fan that was meant to blow heated air during the drying cycle was grinding away at full speed and rubbing against its housing causing it to melt. I could only guess as to why it malfunctioned that way - it shouldn't have even been running until all of the wash cycles had completed. It got replaced a few days later with the same model.

The second break: I loaded it up, started the machine, and went to bed. When I woke up in the morning my entire kitchen was flooded with dirty dish water. This time, the plastic housing for the main pump had literally split in half. Not only did that allow water to just flow right onto my floor, but caused it to continue flooding my floor as it tried to fill the tub to the correct level. Since most of it was going on the floor, the float switch that signals when the tub is full never cut off the pump. Eventually I think the control board decided that was a problem and stopped the pump.

In hindsight, there was really no justification for buying the fancy one in the first place. Aside from all "amazing" features, the design and parts used to accomplish the actual cleaning are almost identical in every way. I felt like a real idiot for falling for the marketing.

Never again.

To be fair, I've little experience with Miele or Bosch dishwashers. I lived in England for about a year over 15 years ago and had a Miele there. I had to be diligent about keeping it clean, otherwise I'd end up with dishes that were even more disgusting than when I put them in, as it would very effectively deposit the contents of an uncleaned filter onto every surface before baking it to an enamel-like finish. Given how much people seem to love their Miele dishwashers I suspect my experience with them wasn't typical.

Re: I splurged for the fanciest dishwasher and it was worth it

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The only thing better than a Miele is a Miele Professional. All the benefits of the household models but a lot faster. My PG8081 takes 36 minutes when it's full. That's when it's connected to 230 volts. My friend has the same model running on 380 volt, it takes 21 minutes. In both cases the machines are connected to hot water as solar water heating panels are installed.

Re: I splurged for the fanciest dishwasher and it was worth it

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One thing to note about Miele's (but not unique about them): It's not trivial to repair them yourself. You need a specialized inductive cable to read error codes and if you don't want to lose warranty, only a certified repair technician is allowed to fix it. Also, the brand itself is getting more 'blurry'. Miele refrigerators are actually made by Liebherr.

Unlike cost saving/outsourcing combinations like Renault cars or Grundig TVs being made in Turkey. Or other PR releases mentioning keywords like "synergy" (say Microchip/Atmel comes to mind).

Well I don't know about Liebherr excavators and such machinery. But Liebherr refrigerators and freezers are amongst the best there are.

Re: I splurged for the fanciest dishwasher and it was worth it

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We just bought a Miele to replace a Bosch dishwasher. The Bosch was leaking internally and we had to keep draining it out. A technician came to look but couldn't find the problem - he wanted to take it away for 2 weeks. I don't understand why all the seals and tubes can't just be replaced at a service interval. To Bosch credit, they didn't charge for looking at it and it's out of warranty and he was here for hours.

We switched because Miele have a much longer warranty and sell direct from their website. We'll sell on the Bosch and hopefully someone with a bit of leak hunting time will get a nice dishwasher for cheap.

Re: I splurged for the fanciest dishwasher and it was worth it

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The repair comment is interesting. It seems in the US if you have a warranty claim for an appliance they contract with some generic repairman who has to order parts.

It may be worse that even (e.g. it has been for us). We have a Whirlpool/MayTag washer, and they pick who services it, and they chose for us a 1.8/5 star budget company that is completely awful and incapable of repairing things. But Whirlpool/MayTag refuses to do anything except keep sending them to us, and we have to schedule through them, which is also a huge nightmare. Do not recommend!

The upside of Whirlpool/Maytag products beyond warranty is the availability of parts and the willingness of third-party repairmen to work on them.

Although dishwashers and clothes washers are a bit of an apples to oranges comparison, we have a LG washing machine and no one wants to work on it because of the scarcity of parts and poor likelihood of successfully repairing the issue. They recommended Whirlpool/Maytag for those reasons so while it might not be a great warranty and hassle to get warranty work done, they still have some major points for consideration.

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