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The track of a bicycle back tire [pdf]

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Re: The track of a bicycle back tire [pdf]

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https://biketips.com/calories-burned-biking/ says I burn ~600kcal to ride 20km. 600kcal is ~200g of bread + 20g of butter. Bread costs about 5€/kg, butter costs 2€ / 250g so 600kcal is roughly 1,25€. My car uses about 6l gasoline per 100km, current price is ~1,60€ per liter, so 20km need 1,90€ of gasoline. So if I just eat cheap food riding a bike is cheaper. If I eat at McDonalds, then 600kcal is a hamburger with me…

I think bicycle calorie burn calculators are basically just nonsense. 600 calories is a ton to burn for a relatively short leisurely ride. Maybe 5x too much. I have an older garmin that has told me I have burned 9000 calories in a weekend, and uh, I didn’t. No evidence for that, but I simply don’t believe it. Bicycle tourists would have to have wild food intake to sustain that for weeks.

I agree 600kcal is on the high side, but I don't think it's as far off as you think. Most estimates I've seen are between 300-500kcal per hour, depending on effort.

It depends a lot on the bike and on the route. On a road bike going down a straight, flat road wearing lycra 20km/h is zero effort. On a city bike loaded with groceries going through urban environment with a bunch of traffic lights 20km/h average is quite an effort.

Re: The track of a bicycle back tire [pdf]

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Are you making a point? What is it?

The comment I replied to makes the point that bikes are better "no question" from the cost perspective since car maintenance is obviously more expensive. It is a more complex equation than that.. Probably the hardest variable to quantify is the risk of injury/death. While I agree it could be better if everyone used bikes, but in the current reality if I choose to ride my bycicle, I'm going to share the road with 2000…

But you can't compare the negative impact of one thing to the positive impact of the other vehicle. The bikers get hurt by the cars so that is negative on the car account, not negative on the bicycle account.

Re: The track of a bicycle back tire [pdf]

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The way this is described in a control systems framework is that the dynamics are non-minimum phase. A cool high-level video from Mathworks[1] explains in more mathematical detail. Being an experienced rider but having not looked into bicycle models in detail, I think it would make intuitive sense if the dynamics were only NMP for some operating points, particularly very low roll rates at very low roll angles. Or equ…

Road bikes are twitchier because they have less trail. Even 25 year old MTBs are twitchy compared to modern equivalents succumbed to the fashion for negative stem lengths and slack head tubes trying to imitate DH bikes.

Good point and makes sense - probably the reduced trail dominates most of the feel. I wish I had time to dive into a model to see if there really is any non-minimum-phase behavior.

Also, I skimmed the following to help my understanding; others may find it useful too: https://www.cyclingtips.com/2018/11/the-geometry-of-bike-han...

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