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Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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> Then they decided they were going to shoot themselves in the foot and drive off a cliff. Unbelievably frustrating. Wait I missed this, what did Signal do?

Removed SMS support from the app

It seems counterintuitive to use SMS in the first place if your users expect end to end encryption.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Refusing to implement a closed-box proprietary connection like CarPlay, and experiencing a degradation of service because the service provider limits the capabilities of cheaper, simpler, and more open protocols, isn't a Tesla problem; its an Apple problem. Imagine if Google suddenly started forcing people to use the Gmail app to send multi-recipient emails, such that the Apple Mail app over IMAP could only send to o…

My frustrations with the Tesla app are 100% about the poor UI and voice interaction, not the inability to send multi-recipient text messages from the car. The degradation has nothing to do with any limitation by Apple or its API, but rather Tesla's choice to lock users out of two well-established mobile platforms. Why do you feel like Tesla is the good guy here, they have the smallest, most exclusive, least open gard…

I don't feel Tesla is a good guy. Landscapes like this aren't binary, and your insinuation is expanding the context of this discussion further than originally intended, then drawing false conclusions. In the specific issue of remote text messaging protocols: yeah, Tesla should support Android Auto and Apple CarPlay; but this absolutely also has everything to do with limitations in Apple's bluetooth text message access APIs, or at minimum their lack of industry leadership in moving these open standards forward to support more capabilities.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't but IMO relying on another proprietary protocol (i.e. WhatsApp) really isn't great either. I kind of think everyone is in an awful place.

I think text massages (SMS) are much more popular in US than in some other countries (obviously there are a lot of places where people still use SMS besides US). Not sure how accurate is the data but this seems interesting: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1263720/mobile-messaging...

Seen from my window, Whatsapp gained traction as free international messages and voice - which are only attractive for usage across international boundaries, which is uncommon in the USA... Maybe that partly explains why SMS lasted longer in the USA.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Wouldn't be the first time that Microsoft has tried to integrate with a third party chat service against said chat service's wishes: https://www.theverge.com/2014/4/21/5635488/msn-messenger-vs-... And Microsoft has been on the other side of this with third party skype users, too.

And that means Microsoft is the problem, not the third party chat service!

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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If someone at Apple is reading this, please, for the love of god, let me pay to have iMessage on my windows machine. I'd easily pay $100/year.

A year or so back there was an HN discussion about a service that offered an all-in-one messaging app for most of the major services (including iMessage), but for the life of me I'm having trouble remembering their name. As I recall, they were using a pile of older iPhones that could still be jailbroken and a custom shim to get messages from the phone to their server. Clever, though that method would eventually hit a…

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Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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If someone at Apple is reading this, please, for the love of god, let me pay to have iMessage on my windows machine. I'd easily pay $100/year.

A year or so back there was an HN discussion about a service that offered an all-in-one messaging app for most of the major services (including iMessage), but for the life of me I'm having trouble remembering their name. As I recall, they were using a pile of older iPhones that could still be jailbroken and a custom shim to get messages from the phone to their server. Clever, though that method would eventually hit a…

That was Beeper. https://www.beeper.com/ There are a few others like AirDroid out there now too. All are still not really great as if you were on the native platform

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They're not completely unencrypted - they are encrypted with A5 between the handset and the tower. They are certainly not e2ee.

They are completely unencrypted, just on the initial and the last "mile" the TRANSPORT layer is (sort of) encrypted.

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Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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> the rest of the world moved on to other messaging services Speak for yourself. I'm not in the US and still prefer SMS, simply because you can port over your contacts and don't have to share them with shady businesses on a fscking platform, for freaking text messages, something we already did 30 years ago (not counting emails almost double as old).

So you'd rather pay extra to send completely unencrypted messages?

pay extra ? I live in France, and SMS have been free for a long time here.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't It's not odd at all. Lots of iPhones in the US because of high incomes, and high iPhone availability. Lots of non-iPhones in the rest of the world because of comparatively low incomes, and significantly less iPhone availability. I see no mystery.

I think the real reason is that in the early 2000s, pre-iPhone, texting was ridiculously expensive in the US and much cheaper in the rest of the world. Also, Americans were using awful phones while the RoW was using much better phones like Nokias thst even in their non-communicator series made texting far easier thanks to stuff like T9. So the rest of the world used SMS and texting far more than Americans Pre-smartph…

It's kind of the opposite of this, actually. Unlimited texting plans became widespread in the US in the 2000s because texting was incredibly popular. When I was a young teenager it was common for kids to get in trouble for racking up hundreds of dollars worth of texts each month so when carriers started offering affordable unlimited texting plans families switched to them en masse. By the time I went to college unlimited texting was a ubiquitous feature of American family phone plans. Mobile data remained extremely expensive, however, and free public wifi was pretty scarce in the US (and still is compared to Europe). At the same time free public wifi was becoming widespread in the rest of the world while unlimited texting plans remained expensive, so non-Americans started using internet-based messaging apps while Americans continued using SMS until Apple started mixing the two automatically via iMessage.

Americans definitely used Nokia phones in the 2000s btw, not to mention Asian ones like LG, Sony, etc. I never saw a cell phone in the US that didn't come with T9 word and by ~2008 full QWERTY keyboard phones were extremely popular. Texting was very easy in America in the 2000s and we did a lot of it.

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Having switched back to Android, it can be infuriating dealing with iPhone users. I get slammed with "messages" when someone reacts to a message and oftentimes, messages just don't show up or messages go to my iPad and not my phone. Apple makes this extremely confusing. The iPhone users never know of their message goes through or what they're actually sending to (my iCloud account or my phone number).

Sounds like you need to deactivate iMessage: https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/

And sometimes the problem lies with the receiving idevice. It's all quite absurd that Apple has hijacked the protocol like this and made it completely separate from the user. My parents have a perfectly good phone that can't receive my text messages because it somehow still thinks my contact is an imessage contact.
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