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People are naive, am sure he doesn’t know that rust has telemetry
I'm not aware of rust hanging any telemetry
This was years ago. https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/pull/1642
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I'm not aware of rust hanging any telemetry
Rustup was going to add it, some work was done, and then it was abandoned. This was years ago. https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/pull/1642
I think that the author has kind of a Stockholm syndrome. "Users are liars, so let's spy them directly to know what we want to know". It is mind blowing how, as an user/the target, you can support that. Nothing is really anonymous and your anonymous data can say a lot about you. Telemetry coming from this IP, so company x is using go. A pattern of data coming every 2 days, so their build nodes rebuild every 2 days. T…
I find the attitude on display here utterly gross and it makes me wonder where this person got it. Is this the common attitude inside Google or Silicon Valley proper these days? Privacy used to be kind of sacrosanct in the industry. What happened? I guess when surveillance driven advertising pays all the bills it has an extreme warping effect on everyone’s mentality. It’s hard to care about privacy when violating it…
It is gross. It's also very ignorant. The author's argument basically boils down to, "I can't see an obvious major downside to this proposal, so that must mean there isn't one nor will there ever be one". How many times to we have to get burned by large companies invading our privacy and after promising not to before we wise up?
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The new owners of Audacity did this and then gaslit the community about it for weeks, despite constant, almost unanimous backlash.
Please elaborate on your allegations. As I understand it, there was the original telemetry PR, which had a "Don't Send"/"Send" dialog at first startup. (A screenshot of this dialog was not added to the PR until several days after it was first posted, so many were under the impression that it was strictly opt-out.) The "Send" option was more prominent, which many people called a dark pattern, but it was still an expli…
There's your answer.
> Which part of this do you consider "doing this and gaslighting the community about it"?
Telling long time users that the new owners knew better. Everyone was able to go and check out how they ruined their other products too.
They had an army of people telling them "no" and they did it anyway.
You seem to be familiar with the fiasco so I'm not sure how we aren't seeing the same thing....
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Please elaborate on your allegations. As I understand it, there was the original telemetry PR, which had a "Don't Send"/"Send" dialog at first startup. (A screenshot of this dialog was not added to the PR until several days after it was first posted, so many were under the impression that it was strictly opt-out.) The "Send" option was more prominent, which many people called a dark pattern, but it was still an expli…
> opt-out There's your answer. > Which part of this do you consider "doing this and gaslighting the community about it"? Telling long time users that the new owners knew better. Everyone was able to go and check out how they ruined their other products too. They had an army of people telling them "no" and they did it anyway. You seem to be familiar with the fiasco so I'm not sure how we aren't seeing the same thing..…
So you're saying that opt-out automatic update checking ruined their product by any reasonable definition, and they were entirely aware of this, so by claiming that automatic update checking is useful they were gaslighting their users?
If so, then from what source are we certain that the "army of people telling them 'no'" in the relevant GitHub issues is representative of how their broader user base feels about automatic update checking? And how do we know that they ought to have been similarly certain?
Just trying to add this telemetry with opt-out in the first place shown one thing: They don't know their audience. Because if they would, if someone would have come up with that idea, everybody in the team should have screamed: "No, hell no!". You don't have the trust of your users.
I get it, getting trust back is much more effort than collecting more data (even if it's with good intent). But hey, the industry put itself into this.
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Ah, are you also a Bret Devereux reader?
Correct! acoup.blog articles are always highly upvoted here, too.