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Valent Is a KDE Connect Client for GTK-Based Desktops

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Re: Valent Is a KDE Connect Client for GTK-Based Desktops

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Post by vanderZwan »

iudqnolq wrote: post #79
vanderZwan wrote: post #20

KDE Connect is the one "linux" tool where after showing to my partner what it can do she asked me if I could install on her Windows laptop, her tablet, and her phone. It's been extremely practical when exchanging PDFs of (say) traintickets, remote controlling the volume of whichever laptop we connected to the projector for movie night (which was the "tech demo" that convinced her), and so on.

If it wasn't buggy over tailscale it'd be perfect. I was travelling for a month and decided to put my sim card in a cheap android phone and connect to it remotely to keep getting SMS 2FA rather than getting roaming. After about two weeks KDE connect over tailscale said the phone didn't exist, so I was glad I'd set up google's remote sms as a backup. (I verified through tailscale it was still connected).

Could another possible reason perhaps be some kind of battery savings setting on the android phone at home? Since you technically didn't open it directly for two weeks.

Re: Valent Is a KDE Connect Client for GTK-Based Desktops

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Post by eitland »

dmytrish wrote: post #75
eitland wrote: post #42

I could understand Gnome as an ideological hack back when KDE wasn't completely open source or when Ubuntu pushed beautiful and polished versions of Gnome 2. And when KDE was on version 4. Today, why would anyone choose anything except KDE?

I use KDE because I like its relatively polished design and philosophy of flexibility and empowering power users. I can and I do wrestle things that I don't like into a shape I like. I still have to put up with many, many downsides around its stability, bugs, resource consumption, being written in C++ and builds being a nontrivial exercise. I can sympathize with those for whom KDE does not suit well.

What distro do you use and what do you compare it to?

My preferred distro is KDE Neon, based on Ubuntu base but with KDE devs providing the KDE layer on top.

I have found this combination excellent and while I am sure it uses more resources than lightweight distros it actually seems to save me resources when I move load (IntelliJ, VSCode, Cypress) from my Windows host machine to my KDE running under WSL. Even on the limited memory and CPU I give this VM it seems to handle them a lot nicer than when I run the GUI apps in the host machine and only run Maven/Quarkus + Node + WSL part of VSCode on WSL.

And with the most recent update of WSL, running GUI apps from WSL has become effortless. (I admit some rough edges like IntelliJ sometimes freezing after suspend resume etc, but nothing that takes time or effort to resolve.)

Re: Valent Is a KDE Connect Client for GTK-Based Desktops

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Post by eitland »

heinrich5991 wrote: post #76
eitland wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't have that backup enabled. Does that mean that WhatsApp is secure for me with everyone who also has that disabled? As long as no one of them enables it, probably. I don't know if this agreement is in place any longer, but you should be able to find references to it using a search engine.

> I don't know if this agreement is in place any longer, but you should be able to find references to it using a search engine. I've not found it quickly. I found this article which doesn't mention it: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/10/where-whatsapp-went-wr... . Since you made the claim, I'd usually ask you to substantiate it.

Hi again. Yes, I agree you should ask me, it wasn't as easy to find as I first thought, but here[1] is a thread on HN that discusses it and a bit down the thread you find a link to the Verge [2] which in turn links to the case papers [3].

I admit the links I found now are less clear than I though and I don't have more time now, but there is clearly reason to be suspicious when 1.) Facebook stops encrypting data before upload 2.) Google accept to keep the data without counting it against the users quota 3.) sources claim there was a deal. None of these three carries too much weight on their own but together they paint a picture that something is going on.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28485312

[2]: https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/17/22180258/google-whatsapp...

[3]: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20428869-the_state_o...

Re: Valent Is a KDE Connect Client for GTK-Based Desktops

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Post by ElectricalUnion »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #51
eitland wrote: post #42

I could understand Gnome as an ideological hack back when KDE wasn't completely open source or when Ubuntu pushed beautiful and polished versions of Gnome 2. And when KDE was on version 4. Today, why would anyone choose anything except KDE?

GTK != Gnome. KDE is extremely bloated and so that is why I avoid it. One KDE package wants to pull in pretty much all the dependencies for a full desktop environment which isn't what I want to do.

> KDE is extremely bloated and so that is why I avoid it.

I use GNOME myself but GNOME is anything but lean and stable - Alt+F2 r is for me a staple and it doesn't work correctly under Wayland, it's GUI is horribly slow, every extension worsening the problem. I mostly only use GNOME myself because I stopped caring about how slow things are and I'm lazy.

> One KDE package wants to pull in pretty much all the dependencies for a full desktop environment which isn't what I want to do.

Well, any GNOME thing wants to pull the entire GNOME thing AND systemd. Much worse.

Re: Valent Is a KDE Connect Client for GTK-Based Desktops

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Post by heinrich5991 »

eitland wrote: post #83
heinrich5991 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't know if this agreement is in place any longer, but you should be able to find references to it using a search engine. I've not found it quickly. I found this article which doesn't mention it: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/10/where-whatsapp-went-wr... . Since you made the claim, I'd usually ask you to substantiate it.

Hi again. Yes, I agree you should ask me, it wasn't as easy to find as I first thought, but here[1] is a thread on HN that discusses it and a bit down the thread you find a link to the Verge [2] which in turn links to the case papers [3]. I admit the links I found now are less clear than I though and I don't have more time now, but there is clearly reason to be suspicious when 1.) Facebook stops encrypting data befor…

Thanks for tracking down the links.

Re: Valent Is a KDE Connect Client for GTK-Based Desktops

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Post by dmytrish »

eitland wrote: post #82
dmytrish wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use KDE because I like its relatively polished design and philosophy of flexibility and empowering power users. I can and I do wrestle things that I don't like into a shape I like. I still have to put up with many, many downsides around its stability, bugs, resource consumption, being written in C++ and builds being a nontrivial exercise. I can sympathize with those for whom KDE does not suit well.

What distro do you use and what do you compare it to? My preferred distro is KDE Neon, based on Ubuntu base but with KDE devs providing the KDE layer on top. I have found this combination excellent and while I am sure it uses more resources than lightweight distros it actually seems to save me resources when I move load (IntelliJ, VSCode, Cypress) from my Windows host machine to my KDE running under WSL. Even on the…

My comment was overly dramatic, I'd say. I was implicitly comparing KDE to Apple-level quality in UI.

I am using KDE on Wayland on Fedora, and so far it's the most polished Linux desktop experience I've ever had.

Maybe it's my experience with KDE4 that turned me off after KDE3, then tidal changes of stability in KDE5 that undermined my trust.

Re: Valent Is a KDE Connect Client for GTK-Based Desktops

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Post by eitland »

heinrich5991 wrote: post #86
eitland wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi again. Yes, I agree you should ask me, it wasn't as easy to find as I first thought, but here[1] is a thread on HN that discusses it and a bit down the thread you find a link to the Verge [2] which in turn links to the case papers [3]. I admit the links I found now are less clear than I though and I don't have more time now, but there is clearly reason to be suspicious when 1.) Facebook stops encrypting data befor…

Thanks for tracking down the links.

You seem like a sincere person so be sure to note that what I found now was less damning than what I thought I would find which suggests either it hasn't turned out so bad or they have covered it well up.

Re: Valent Is a KDE Connect Client for GTK-Based Desktops

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Post by bacchusracine »

Operative0198 wrote: post #47

Gnome doesn't need any more KDE Connect clients. GSConnect is pretty much perfect and most importantly, is integrated into the Quick Settings. What I have always been puzzled by is the near absence of KDE Connect clients for tiling compositors. I would love to one day use KDE Connect in a way that feels native for something like Sway.

It's not about Gnome.

Other desktops exist that use GTK. Such as Mate, which is still a very decent desktop and show just how far Gnome has fallen in the past decade. Some of us are very happy to have an application which will work for us that doesn't require pulling in Gnome's junk or KDE's junk.

Re: Valent Is a KDE Connect Client for GTK-Based Desktops

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Post by encryptluks2 »

ElectricalUnion wrote: post #85
encryptluks2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GTK != Gnome. KDE is extremely bloated and so that is why I avoid it. One KDE package wants to pull in pretty much all the dependencies for a full desktop environment which isn't what I want to do.

> KDE is extremely bloated and so that is why I avoid it. I use GNOME myself but GNOME is anything but lean and stable - Alt+F2 r is for me a staple and it doesn't work correctly under Wayland, it's GUI is horribly slow, every extension worsening the problem. I mostly only use GNOME myself because I stopped caring about how slow things are and I'm lazy. > One KDE package wants to pull in pretty much all the dependenc…

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